If your statement is 100% true then Paul had no reason to Circumcise Timothy, now would he? Acts 16:3

This does not pertain to the above questions.  Is the Abrahamic Covenant null and void, or is it not, or what...

So either you are wrong and my god told the truth.

Or you are right and your god lied to me.

Leauki,

Those 4 Scriptural passages tell it like it is....Almighty God kept His promise and delivered the land. 

So these passages are irrefutable on this point and since there is but One True LORD God, He told us the truth for He can neither deceive or be deceived. 

Think of it this way...the LORD God's Abrahamic Covenant as per the promised " land"  is...one...physical, the actual land, (which has been fulfilled) and two..spiritual, the eternal "land" of Heaven. LORD God has also fulfilled the promise of  spiritual "land" to Abraham and Sarah as they, through the merits of his seed, Jesus Christ,  are presently enjoying Heavenly bliss.

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My statement is true and St.Paul had good reason(s) to circumcise St.Timothy. Here's the passage. Note the highlighted which gives one of the reasons why.

Acts 16:2-3, "To this man (Timothy) the brethren that were in Lystra and Iconium, gave a good testimony. 3 Him Paul would have to go along with him: and taking him he circumcised him, because of the Jews who were in those places. For they all knew that his father was a Gentile."

OK...what do we know?

We know that St. Paul was fired up doing missionary work.....on an Apostolic mission and his pastoral concerns for the churches he has founded are always his first concern. He's back at Lystra, a city he had evangelized during his first journey 14:6.

We know that Timothy was born of a Gentile father (Greek?) and a Jewish mother Eunice who taught him the Scriptures...Acts. 16:1; 2Tim.3:15. According to Jewish law, the son of a Jewish mother was accounted as a Jew....but the problems of mixed marriages have always existed and this may have been the reason why,  up to the time under discussion, Timothy had been uncircumcised.

St.Paul's Apostolic plans for Timothy lead him to circumcise him. Everyone in the city knew he was a Jew and those who practiced the Mosaic Law might easily have regarded him as an apostate from Judaism in which case he would be unlikely to be an effective preacher of the Gospel to Jews.

Of this, St.Ephream writes, "He took Timothy and circumcised him. Paul did not do this without deliberation: he always acted prudently, but given that Timothy was being trained to preach the Gospel to Jews everywhere, and to avoid their not giving him a good hearing because he was not circumcised, he decided to circumcise him. In doing this he was not aiming to show that circumcision was necessary.... for he had been the one most instrumental in eliminating it...but to avoid putting the Gospel at risk."  

Of eliminating circumcision, St.Ephream, of course, is speaking about the Jerusalem Council and St.Paul's attitude towards those who demanded circumcision as an absolute condition for salvation 15:1. 

St.Paul strove against circumcision in the case of Titus. Gal. 2:3-5 which showed that he didn't consider circumcision to be a matter of principle, but simply for reasons of genuine pastoral prudence, missionary concern and common sense. 

At the Jerusalem Council it was a question of clear theological principle concerning the mission to the Gentiles. Titus was a Gentile Christian--to have circumcised him --at a point when St.Paul was fighting against Judaizers--would have meant St.Paul giving up his principles.

Timothy was accounted a Jew. The Jews in Lystra violently opposed St.Paul and his work. We learn from 14:9 St.Paul wouldn’t have forgotten how in Lystra, he lay half dead beneath the stones thrown at him by his enemies. So, he makes a compromise but not one that contradicts his principles as regards to Gentiles.

Call it a "pastoral tactic"....St.Paul was thinking of the excitable Jews of the neighborhood but also of the continuance of his missionary work, which would continually bring him into confrontation and dissension with the Jews. 

Excellent.

So if you don't mind I'll eventually go live in my land and you tell your Pope to stop calling it "Palestine".

I thought this story might be of interest. I had problems with the photos but they can be seen by clicking: 

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102119

MUCH ABOUT HISTORY
'Ark of the Covenant' about to be unveiled?
Ethiopian patriarch tells pope he will show artifact to world

Posted: June 24, 2009
9:35 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

The Partriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia says he will announce to the world Friday the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, perhaps the world's most prized archaeological and spiritual artifact, which he says has been hidden away in a church in his country for millennia, according to the Italian news agency Adnkronos.

Abuna Pauolos, in Italy for a meeting with Pope Benedict XVI this week, told the news agency, "Soon the world will be able to admire the Ark of the Covenant described in the Bible as the container of the tablets of the law that God delivered to Moses and the center of searches and studies for centuries."

The announcement is expected to be made at 2 p.m. Italian time from the Hotel Aldrovandi in Rome. Pauolos will reportedly be accompanied by Prince Aklile Berhan Makonnen Haile Sellassie and Duke Amedeo D

"The Ark of the Covenant is in Ethiopia for many centuries," said Pauolos. "As a patriarch I have seen it with my own eyes and only few highly qualified persons could do the same, until now."

According to Pauolos, the actual Ark has been kept in one church, but to defend the treasure, a copy was placed in every single church in Ethiopia.

He said a museum is being built in Axum, Ethiopia, where the Ark will be displayed. A foundation of D'Acosta will fund the project.

The Ark of the Covenant is the sacred container of the Ten Commandments as well as Aaron's rod and a sample of manna, the mysterious food that kept the Israelites alive while wandering in the wilderness during their journey to the promised land.

The Bible says the Ark was built to the specifications of God as He spoke to Moses. It was carried in advance of the people and their army by priests. It was also carried in aseven-day procession around the walled city of Jericho.

The idea that the Ark is presently in Ethiopia is a well-documented, albeit disputed, tradition dating back to at least 642 B.C. The tradition says it was moved to Elephantine Island in Egypt, then to Tana Kirkos Island in Ethiopia and finally to its present site at St. Mary's of Zion Church in Axum.

Ethiopians believe it is destined to be delivered to the Messiah when He reigns on Mount Zion – the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 3:16 points to a time when the Ark will vanish not only physically, but from the minds of the people: "And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more."

The Book of Revelation says the Ark is in the temple of God in heaven (Rev. 11:19). Muslim scholars say it will be found near the end of times by the Mahdi – a messianic figure in Islam.

I find this very interesting.  For one thing I knew that Ethiopia was one of the places it was thought to be.  For another I'm thinking this has to do with the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem.  Remember Lula?  I told you many times this temple will be rebuilt and it's very important to end times theology.  The AC for one thing is going to sit in this temple and declare himself as God. 

Now,  I know the Jews have everything in place to rebuild this temple.  This Ark of the Covenant would be the icing on their cake. 

I wouldn't dare touch this Ark. 

Let's see if this is real.  Time will tell. 

Yes, it is fascinating.  I had a problem posting the article with the photos, but they are amazing as well.

Me too, I'd not touch that! Remember poor Oza and that he was not only struck dead but divided after he touched it?

Probably wouldn't be a good idea either.

Now, the question is, will the Ethiopian Church give it back?

Rebuilding the Temple can only be done by the Messiah (yours if he comes back, otherwise mine). But unless the Muslims (or rather the "pseudo-Muslims"*) recognise him as well, there will be trouble.

*I myself recognise as real Muslims only those people who, as the Quran dictates, accept that Israel is the home land of the Jews, even if the individual Muslim' own pride or prejudices tell him to be against that concept. In short, a Muslim (someone who submits to G-d's will) is someone who submits to G-d's will EVEN and ESPECIALLY when his own pride or interests tell him not to.

As far as Jesus, the Christ, it's not a matter of IF He comes back, but when...which no one knows when.  When He does come back (His Second Coming) it  won't be to rebuild the Temple. Christ's Second Coming will be at the end of the world...He'll  coming in glory and to pronounce the Final Judgment of all mankind.

He can judge whomever he wants, but if he won't rebuild the Temple, he is not the Messiah.

now where do you get this from?  The first two temples were not built by the Messiah.  And the Jews of the first century were awaiting him then right?  So where do you get the Messiah has to build it now? 

I find that statement interesting.  You know why?  Because I think the AC is going to have something to do with this rebuilding...possibily....and that goes back to Daniel.  The people of the prince (AC). 

Many believe that when this AC comes, the Jews will look to him as the Messiah, but he's an imposter.  That's what we're seeing when we read the scriptures.....Daniel, Revelation, 2 Thess 2 and Matthew 24 among other passages. 

I've spent years and years researching this Leauki.  This is my stronghold. 

Now, back to the Ethiopians.  I'm wondering how they can prove this is authentic especially since they said they've made other copies of it? 

Each Temple was built by a Messiah (annointed king). It is logical (and predicted in Ezekiel) that the LAST Temple will be built by _the_ (ultimate) Messiah.

I don't believe in any such being.

If he rebuilds the Temple, returns the Jews to Israel, and bring world peace, I'll be fine with him.

And yet you never wondered why the Jews, who have lived with the Torah for 1300 years before Jesus was born didn't even believe in an evil force and/or an anti-Christ?

Anti-Christ was originally simply anyone who wasn't a Christian. The early church at some point made him into some kind of evil spirit.

They probably can't. It's a faith thing.

He will be like Hitler only worse. Hitler was a type of AC.  So wasn't Alexander the Great.  So wasn't Haman. So wasn't Antiochus Epiphanes......  You will be fine with this?  At first he will give you what you want.  Then he will come in for the destruction.  He will actually be against the Jews not for them.  He will be a false Messiah but he will be heralded because no one will know at first.  Read Daniel 9:26-27.   He's building the temple for himself, not the Jews.  He will sit in it and declare himself as God. 

First off Cyrus didn't build the temple.  The Temple and the walls were built by Nehemiah and Zerubbabel.  About 50,000 Jews returned under the leadership of Zerubbabel to build the temple.  Cyrus gave his permission and their freedom but he did not build the temple.  The first temple was built under Solomon and he wasn't a Messiah either.  David was refused permission by God to build this first grand temple because he had bloody hands.  Solomon was chosen to do so. 

So your logic is in doubt here Leauki.  Where in Ezekiel are you speaking of? 

Satan is in the OT.   What about Saul troubled by evil spirits?  Where did those come from?  How about Job?  The AC is seen in Daniel and you can see God addressing Lucifer in Isaiah 14, the one who wants to be God.  Maybe traditionally they didn't...not sure, but biblically they believed in the evil one.  They wrote about him. 

and that's exactly my point.  That's why the Jews will hail him as Messiah.  But they will be duped.  If this stuff happens in our time (and I believe it will) at least do me a favor and push this to the back of your mind...just in case.  Read Daniel 9:26-27 for reference. 

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These are words of wisdom KFC and good, good advice to Leauki.  This much is for certain....whoever the antichrist is or whatever (system?), many will be duped.