Hitler, Alexander, Haman...

G-d will not allow an evil person to rebuild the Temple. It cannot happen.

Nobody just pretends to wave the Star-of-David flag. The hatred will always come through.

Solomon didn't rebuild the Temple either. Like Cyrus he just ordered it built and paid for it.

And Solomon was an anointed king. I think you are still unclear about how common a word "moshiach" is in Hebrew.

Try 40. I think it was 40.

Yes, but he has a different role than in Christianity in Islam. You (Christians and Muslims) made something evil out of the character. Judaism doesn't believe in an evil force. (Zoroastrianism does. Perhaps that is where you got it.)

She essentially told me to ignore what the Bible says.

I think it will.    Cannot?  Are you positive? 

It will soon enough but it will be too late.    It doesn't matter anyhow Leauki.  Because this next temple will be destroyed just like the prior ones.  The template (original) is in heaven anyway and God will bring that down during the Millennium kingdom. 

Herod built much of the temple in Jesus day so much so that it was called "Herod's Temple."  So what about that?  He wasn't a good guy.   From what I understood it took like 46 years to rebuild this temple, that some even called it the third temple, even tho it was just an enlarged temple area from Ezra's time.  In other words, it was just a newer and larger second temple.

I did?  ???

Yes.

You told me to ignore Ezekiel 40 which says that the Messiah will rebuild the Temple.

All this is nothing other than Christian Zionism/Rapture endtime idea.

Sorry it's not as logical and true as your ideas about heaven and hell and how to quote the Talmud.

No, it was different.  The second temple was actually credited to Zerubbubal not Cyrus. In fact Cyrus was gone before they started the temple.  Yes, Cyrus did give them building materials and decreed it, but he even said this:  "Let the work of this house of God alone, let the governor of the Jews and the elders of the Jews build this house of God in his place."  Ezra 5:7

"Then rose up Zerubbabel .....and began to build the house of God which is at Jerusalem and with them were the prophets of God helping them."   Ezra 5:2

Actually the 2nd temple was built under Darius who pulled out the decree made by Cyrus earlier and upheld it.  So the temple was built under Darius not Cyrus.  Read Ezra 5 for the details.  The house was finished in the 6th year of the reign of Darius the King.   It was the same  with Solomon and the first temple and it's very clear that it was.......if you go to 1 Kings 5:5 you'd see Solomon say this:

"And behold I purpose to build a house unto the name of the Lord my God, as the Lord spoke to David my father.  Your son, whom I will set upon your throne in your room, he shall build a house unto my name."

goes on to say in Chapter 6 starting with v9....

"so he (Solomon) built the house and finished it.......and then he built chambers against all the house........and the word of the Lord said to Solomon saying, Concerning this house which you are in building..........So Solomon built the house and finished it.  He built the walls of the house.......and he built twenty cubits on the sides of the house.......so Solomon overlaid the house with with pure gold........and the whole house he overlaid with gold.......so was he seven years in building it.   

So while the first temple was called Solomon's Temple because he was the one who built it, the second temple was called Zerubbabel's temple.  Notice the first temple took 7 years.  The second temple didn't take as long...not as elaborate. 

ok.  I'm still on this Leauki.  I remembered something else concerning King David.  If you go to the Jewish scriptures 1 Chronicles 21:1, regarding something David did in 2 Samuel 21 you'd read this: 

"And Satan stood up against Israel and provoked David to number Israel."  

This is an evil force.  Satan, using his evil spirit stirred David's mind  to go against God in the numbering of his people back in Samuel. 

no, no, no, no Leuki.  You misunderstand. 

The prophecy says (Daniel, Jesus, Paul, John)  that during the times of the AC a temple will be constructed.  He will make a pact of peace with the Jews.  A few years later he will renig on this promise and will declare himself as God.  Up until that time the Jews will think he's the Messiah. just like you because he's going to have a hand in this rebuilding and bring peace.  Both are what the Jews are waiting for.  But it's a trick. 

Paul said about this time period speaking to the Christians:

"Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin (AC) be revealed; the son of perdition who opposeth and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitts in the temple of God showing himself that he is God."   2 Thess 2:3-4

In Ezek 40 that's something totally different.  This is the real Temple, not the one during the time I'm speaking of.  Like you said earlier, God wouldn't have an enemy build a temple right?  So this temple (not the one in Ezek 40), while blessed by the Jews will not be blessed by God.   So the one we're waiting for first, is not the one in Ezek 40. 

Chapters 40-48 is about a vision seen by Ezekiel.  It's very detailed and will be the last temple but will be in the Millennium when the real Messiah comes back.  Yours for the first time, ours for the second time. 

How many Temples, true or false, do you expect to be built?

We're looking for one more to be built soon in Jerusalem.    I have to backtrack a bit tho from what I said earlier.  This new temple in Ezek 40 is during the reign of the Messiah in the Millennium like I said.  But I'm not sure if it's the same one that will be built soon and just cleansed (after the AC's declaration) or if the one in Ezek 40 is totally new.  I'd have to go back and do some reading. 

If it's the same, then the Jews of today most likely will go and use the chapters 40-48 as plans to build this new one and it will go into the Millennium.  When the AC takes over, it's close in time, as in just before, to the Millennium anyway. 

Ah, OK, that clarifies things a bit.

You know what? I think the caliphs built the mosque on top of the Temple Mount to prevent future Muslims from destroying the site.

With all the rewriting of history we see among Arab nationalists and "Muslim" extremists claiming that there never was a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem (and that the city was always Arab), I doubt the Kotel (Western Wall) would have survived if it wasn't for the Muslim holy sites propped up by it.

I know you don't agree that Muhammed and his followers followed a true religion, but perhaps you will see that whatever it was they believed was closer to G-d's truth then what radical "Muslims" believe today.

now this is interesting.  Hmmmmm I'm thinking you could be onto something here.  So what you're saying is that this could be the plan of God from the start to protect his holy site?  I could agree with that and it does make sense now that you say it. It could quite possibly be a way to protect it.  Some say, however, the true site might be directly next to it.  Not sure how they can find out for sure tho. 

Now, I don't think that the Muslims are God's people like I do the Jews but it wouldn't be the first time that God used the enemy to further his agenda and protect his future plans.  I'm thinking about how the Jews prospered under the rule of the Egyptians for over 400 years.  They went in as 70 souls and came out over 600K strong just men alone.  Then under the Babylonians he used that time to punish the Jews for their disobedience and even used a few Persian Kings to help build his temple under Ezra and Zerubabbal. 

The Persian kings were never enemies.

And the caliphs were not enemies either. They were not Christian or Jewish, but the Christians at the time didn't allow Jews to pray in Jerusalem. The Muslim invasion of Jerusalem was a liberation for the Jews.

I think it might be part of G-d's plan. Some people are part of His plan without knowing. Some people know. And some people even believe the wrong thing but still do the right thing because part of what they believed was true. For example, If Muhammed was no prophet, believing His words about the holy site in Jerusalem would still lead to doing the right thing.

The true site is somewhere on the Temple Mount. Jews are not allowed up there because one might walk through the wrong "room" not knowing where it is since the Temple is not there.

I also don't believe that Muhammed's followers are G-d's people like the Jews are.

I don't know if it was really only 70 people who went to Egypt. Servants and other followers are not always mentioned. At that time the Jews had a pretty solid Canaanite cultural foundation, so they must have absorbed a lot from Canaan. Remember that Abraham came from Aram Naharaim (northern Iraq or Turkey) but the Israelites in Egypt were clearly culturally Canaanite, not Akkadian.

The names mentioned in the Torah are all Canaanite, not Akkadian. However, there is an Akkadian substratum in the Torah. (The word for "I" used in the ten commandments is Akkadian, not Hebrew; and the foundation of the legal system is Babylonian.

This is very complicated and I haven't figured it out yet.

They wouldn't be from a physical standpoint but what I'm saying is that God uses enemies for his purpose and in the case of the Persian Kings they would be unbelievers meaning they didn't have a relationship with the Hebrew God.  So from God's spiritual standpoint they would be considered enemies although they were supporters of the Hebrews in that they helped them.

I'm going by what it says in Genesis 46.  It says this:

"All the souls that came with Jacob into Egyp wich came out of his loins besides Jacob's sons' wives, all the souls were threescore and six and the sons of Joseph which were born him in Egypt were two souls all the souls of the house of Jacob which came into Egypt were threescore and ten (70). "

So the 70 really are just the sons and grandchildren of Jacob..so not including wives and servants.  They actually flourished under bondage which is very interesting and a plan of God from the start.  You know God moved them there for a reason 430 years earlier with the Exodus in mind.