I think the award has long since lost its original special meaning and has turned into a politicum. People are almost randomly chosen, or so it seems. The same is true for the literature nobel price.  I personally think that Obama hasn't really done anything that merits  the award so far. And he is quite young and not even a year in office, so the decision looks weird.

But it isn't his fault that Afghanistan and Iraq are violent and that it is difficult to make a lasting difference about that and to win the war in Afghanistan. After all, he did NOt start those wars. He did not create the circumstances by himself that lead to the financial crisis that lead to such a huge deficit either. It is petty to pin those blames on him alone because these problems are leftovers from the last 10 years.

You don't even want him to do something that turns out good in the end because that'd prove you all wrong lol - or so it seems at times.

Yes.




Who is pinning the blame on him for Afghanistan?

He IS responsible for the recent increase of violence in Iraq because that was caused by HIS strategy of removing troops and announcing a withdrawal. Of course it's really the terrorists' fault, since they are the attackers, but his strategy certainly didn't lead to peace. Iraqi newspapers feared as much late last year, I read it.

Giving him a peace price just after he made a decision that made a war worse seems very odd to me.

(Why didn't they give George Bush the price for his work in Liberia and Sudan? Right, they don't care about peace and simply didn't like him. And if they had done it anyway, all the "peace activists" in the world would have protested violently. Who cares about Africa...)




Happened to me before with George Bush. I was totally for Al Gore and remained a fan until he got the Nobel Peace Price for no work related to peace and accepted it.

It took me two years, from 2000 to early 2002 to appreciate that giving the terrorists what they want did not actually make the world a safer place.

There were exactly two times a politician did something that taught me that politics can actually make a change for the better. The first was the red-green election victory in Berlin in 1988 which immediately improved the public transport system and made the ticket system more transparent. The second was George Bush's decision to invade Iraq which allowed me to visit the country, as a Jew, a few years later.

Everything else, for all the talk it generates, has never actually improved my life.

 

The Nobel Peace rpize used to mean somthing good, but not any more. I knew the prestige behind the Nobel Peace Prize was gone when they gave it to AlGore.

So, it's not surprising that it was GIVEN, HANDED TO, (as opposed to awarded for an award implies something earned) Obama.

Here's the bottom line for me when giving the NPP to politicians who make public policy....Carter, Gore and Obama, are all pro-abortion .....Obama being the absolute worse...they know nothing of peace....they are unwilling to protect unborn innocent life in the womb. As far as proclaiming a peaceful existence to the baby in the womb or born alive from a botched abortion, Obama is a coward. 

I'm ashamed to have him as my President.  

 

What, so he got it...big freaking deal. Better shit to whine over; which, I'm sure, will come sooner or later. I mean, seriously, just because he got it, that makes it less valuable now? What, did you not value the award beforehand? Sorry, but it just comes across as shallow and partisan to shrug off the award because it was given to someone you don't like. Or because it isn't in line with your politics? Puh-lease. Ridiculous.

Btw, the Nobel Peace Prize:

"...needs no actual accomplishment to receive"

~And~

"to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

 

That's their criteria.

 

The only cowards are those who hide behind the mask of self righteousness Lula; you make so many profound judgments and yet...yeah, anyways, whatever. To each their own foolishness.

 

~L

I can agree with just about everything you said before, but this makes no sense. You seem to be under the impression that something that Obama does will yield positive results as oppose to saying could turn out good. I have noticed how often people complain about generalizations and broad brushing people yet this is exactly what you did here by assuming anything Obama does will do good and that everyone who's against him simply does not want Obama to succeed so as to not look bad. I find it very insulting to have my opinions taken as "politically motivated" all the time and not as a concern from my point of view.

This is not about liking or disliking Obama, which I'm sure some here do. This is about giving an award just to give it. I am curious as to why Democrats (or you) argue that Obama has not had enough time to accomplish anything (in 9 months now) yet when it comes to this award he has. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

Yeah, I'm sure some here do - which I think blinds them. To me it's the same irrationallity as those democrats/liberals who frothed at the mouth when Bush was in office. It's pointless, but...again, whatever. Whatever floats their boat.

When have I said he's not had enough time? Yeah, I acknowledged (as i would do for all presidents) that you can't always get a lot done quickly, especially if what you want to get done becomes a partisan issue, but I never said he couldn't get anything done in nine months. My rationale behind this is everyone needs to pull their panties out of the behinds. Really, so he got the award...*shrugs*...and? It's THEIR award, and they're going to give it to who they see fit. *shrugs* Oh well.

Btw, I NEVER said, nor did I imply that he's done anything to earn this award, but....that really isn't my thing to worry about - I'm not a part of the Nobel Peace Prize commission. They, the ones who are, apparently felt he has done enough. So that's really it; end of story, game over, etc.

~AJ

Keep in mind the nominations for this award had to be in by Feb 1. 

He was president for what 11 days? 

 

Maybe they should call it the "just showing up" award.

Leauki, welcome to the mentality that is pervasive in our country ever since this nobody became a self-proclaimed, and later mass proclaimed, somebody.

It all seems like Much Ado About Nothing. 

"I don't know why I love Obama, I just looooooooove him.  I want to vote for him because I looooooove him."

Blech.

to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations,

I guess kissing ass by telling everyone how sorry the US is for being such a bad boy this past decade or so, getting people like Ahmadinejad, Chavez and Gaddafi to like you and call you brother and having your own Party members speak wonders of people like Castro and countries like China covers this part.

for the abolition or reduction of standing armies

Lets see, promising to remove soldiers from Iraq by a certain date regardless of what happens to Iraq and take his sweet time to decide whether or not send more troops to Afghanistan while they continue to die over there seems to cover this as well.

and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses

Hmmm, when has he done this? Between N Korea, Iran, Hillary threating to use force if necessary, Obama not backing out of Afghanistan, I don't see where he is promoting any peace at all. Perhaps I am blinded by my opposing views because I am after all Conservative and must contradict Obama even if what he does may saves millions of lives, make our country better and stronger and prove once and for all that Republicans are the real threat.

Reading more and comments on the web about this really shows how naive the average Obama supporter is.  It's really no surprise the country is in the shape it is.

Yeah, your views and sarcasm are a problem. ;~P (Okay, maybe just the sarcasm)

I find it interesting, although I'm assuming that you're being sarcastic, that you're suggesting backing out of Afghanistan even though we're not done there. Not only that, but we still have OBL to deal with (Yup, he's still around the bastard)

Btw...Iran will be iran. Ahmadinijead is a blowhard who is using all of this for his gains, and we're playing into his slimy hands Charles. As for NK, again....all talk.

Merely your opinion on this, but you do realize we're still in Iraq right? By no means did we do a disappearing act. Oh, and they did sort of, kinda, maybe asked us to go. Yeah....I think listening to a country's sovereign government (not to mention the people) is the right thing to do. Maybe that's just me though.

As for Afghanistan --> I agree that he should be a bit quicker.

 

1. Again, apologizing or using PR to smooth over ruffled feathers is good.

2. Better than them, say, attacking us, right?

3. Party members =/= party, and party =/= party members. You should know that;  The same thing goes if I said that all Puerto Ricans = weird. It would be a gross, and faulty generalization. Capiche?

 4. What's so wrong with China again? Maybe I'm biased due to my Chinese dorm roommate.

 

You know...this seems similar to the whole Chicago outrage; I mean, it would have been an awesome thing if we had gotten the Olympics in Chicago. It's a majoryly prestiguous event. Now, our elected leader...no matter if you like him or now...has been internationally recognized and honored with a huge award.

Yet...I haven't seen anyone on this thread say," Congrats Mr. President," or "Good job," or "Go USA!" Nothing. It seems that partisanship has taken hold before pride or anything else has. Why? 

Thank you KFC for pointing out that he was nominated mere days after becoming President.  What had he done toward any of the stipulations for meriting the award?

As for the prize losing value because it was given to someone who hasn't actually done anything...duh!  The only ones being political here are the ones on the award panel.  They might as well be honest and call it the "Thank God he's Not Bush" award.  There have been years where noone merited the award and the cash prize was put back into the commitee.  If Obama was all they could come up with this year, they should have kept the prize as a no winner this year. 

Obama might actually merit it some day...he sure hasn't yet though and he certainly didn't merit a nomination back in Jan!

You know, I was thinking...in reality, this award ALWAYS has been a political award. They wouldn't exactly give it to Adolph Hitler, even if he did do something worth the award. (shrugs) To paraphrase a Dylan song, "We live in a political world." So really, "earning it" is a moot point.

Oh, and in breaking news - President Obama has said that the $1.4 million prize money he'll be receiving will be going towards the national debt. lol

 

~AJ

 

 

Ha, good one!

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However, Obama's actually accomplished plenty....it's just that his "change" as "world community orgainizer" is bringing on chaos instead of peace.