He also claims that "God hates fags." Where do you think that came from?

I don't know.

I have read the Old Testament in three languages and the best I could find was that He condemned homosexual actions and disallowed them for Jews. I didn't get the impression that G-d hated anyone, including "fags".

Also note that a "fag" might also be a homosexual who IS homosexual but does NOT ACT it out. Nothing in the Bible prohibits or in any way condemnds or criticises BEING a homosexual.

No, but Phelps did.

It's also a cigarette.

I love how people try to equate that Hilter was a Christian.  11 million people were killed in the holocaust of those 11 million roughly 5 million were Christians.  Most people (people from the States that is) know very little about the government that was in place BEFORE Nazis came into power.  Now the Weihmer republic (which was Atheistic as well had a very anti-religous stance) allowed brothels, the sell of drugs, pornography openly and other activities which Catholic church/Protestant church didn't support.  The Weihmer Republic also tried to limit what the Churches could and couldn't say.  

Hmmm that sounds very familiar.....Atheism is one of the world's least tolerant religions. It sees any other religion as a threat and when it takes over the Government it systematically eliminates all other religions.  Karl Marx himself wrote in the Communist manifesto that "communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion", thereby forcing the religion of Atheism upon those under communist/Atheist oppression.  Those who do not submit to this 'religion' of Atheism will face wrath and punishment as stated in the Communist manifesto: "The Communists... ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions".  The need to get rid of those undesireables are necessary as you continue to read on.

Atheistic Governments have been responsible for up to 259 Million murders accros the globe, from 1900 to the year 1987 alone. Up to 126 Million of those innocent victims were at the hands of the Russian Atheistic Government. Second largest Militant Atheistic state is Communist China, murdering up to 114 Million people (most from multiple religions & religious movements). The Atheists of Vietnam, North Korea and Cambodia (Pol Pot) all have murdered over 3 Million people each between 1900-1987. Atheistic Governments have had the bloodiest government ideology responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th Century.

Now, I know that some will decry that you can be an Atheist and not be a Communist which is true.  I think the recent books and TV specials linking social Darwinism, and by extension, evolutionary thinking, as the scientific underpinnings of the eugenics practiced by Hitler is worth investigating.  Rather than being Christian in nature, Hitler's revolution is more probably linked with the pseudo-science of Darwinism.

• From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany
• The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism
• Darwin at Nurenberg, Part I, Part II
• Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust  
  

The first two are books which I've read. 

Now I could say that Atheism causes more death and destruction than any other religion.  Now for me to espouse that all atheist (I can name a bunch of promient evoluationary thinkers who are VERY VERY ANTI-RELIGION just probably as easily as someone could find some very religious person wanting to destroy any one that's not like them) are the primary evil or cause of evil I would be committing a ton of logical fallacies just as if I said religion is the root cause of all wars.

He wasn't Christian per se, but he was definitely religious in a sense.

Well said, and my point toward Leauki.

AJ, I hope you don't feel like I'm attacking you in any way, which is why I'm extremely glad we can finally agree on something. 

I wouldn't classify Hitler a Christian.  "Heinrich Himmler (the Reichsfuhrer of the SS), the person ordered by Adolf Hitler to implement the final solution (Holocaust), told his personal masseur Felix Kersten that he always carried with him a copy of the ancient Aryan scripture, the Bhagavad Gita because it relieved him of guilt about what he was doing — he felt that like the warrior Arjuna, he was simply doing his duty without attachment to his actions"(Padfield, Peter Himmler New York:1990--Henry Holt Page 402). 

I would probably classify Hitler and most the upper eschelon as a New Age Fanatics.

Fanatic, yes. New Age? Come on, fanatics have been around for a long time. lol jk.  In a way I could agree with your inferrence (inferring?). It's hard to tell in my opinion, because he was and is a very, very complicated individual. Fascinating really, in the sense of his mind. On one hand he was extremely brilliant, artistic, etc....but on the other hand...well, yeah.

Attacking me? N'ah, you wouldn't do that, not when my finger hovers over the big red button. lol, anyways, no worries. I do get testy sometimes with people, but no worries.

Be well, ~Alderic

How was that "your point"???

My point was that you've been coming across like you are claiming that secularists are the root of evil, etc. etc. Not saying you shouldnt say that if you believe it, but that it just rubs people the wrong way.

If Atheism is a religion, how can it be a government? Wouldn't Communism abolish Atheism?

Makes no sense whatsoever. (Except maybe in the sense of circular logic.)

Atheism, like theism, is a belief, not a religion.

Communism abolishes all religion but not all beliefs.

I guess you feel that a religion can't be a government at the same time. Please don't go to any Theocarcy, please.  Then to your next question you are making a non-sequitur: denying the antecedent, trying to be all sly there. 

I also think you don't understand two things.  First what religion is.  Religion is according to websters dictionary: 1 a: the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Second, I don't think you fully understand circular logic. Circular logic is in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premises. For example: "We must have a death penalty to discourage violent crime". (This assumes it discourages crime.)

Let's look at this Communism according to definition is atheistic.  Then let's look at what the dictionary has to say about religion.  According to definition 4 it is a cause, principle, or a system of belifes held to with ardor and faith.  Is Communism a system of beliefs? Yes, so it fulfills that part.  Is Communism a principle and a cause?  Yes, it can be either.

Let's look at the definition of atheism according to good old webster's again:  a: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity.  (a meaning no + theos meaning G-D)

Now can atheism be a religion.  Let's see here.  Just so you don't think that I'm just focusing on definition 4 of religion (which Atheism fits).  I'll look at definition 2 a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.  Does Atheism have a set belief? Yes (oh wait are you going to try to be all sly and say aren't they disbelieving in believing therefore they have no beliefs ::::muawhahahahah::::.  Is atheism set of attitudes? Yes.  Since there is an and (you could say that needs to be all three to qualify to be a religion since the and is in the definition and not an or) there now does Atheism have practices?  Yes, not believing in G-D.  Is Atheism a religion, yes.

I agree with this part Leauki.  That is an excellent way of putting it. 

Atheism can be a religion as I stated in the above post.  It would be defined better as a system of beliefs.  Then what is a system of beliefs essentially a religion.  A religion doesn't necessary need to be G-D centered.  Hence why Buddhism is a religion even though they don't necessary believe in a G-D.  Some people will try to label Buddhism as a philosophy trying to make it seem superior to all other religions because its a philosophy yet most religions are philosphical.  Some are just more philosphical than others.

You're incorrect in a sense. A set of beliefs does not equate with it being a religion. I have my set of beliefs, does that mean I suddenly am the head (Pope?) of my church? Nein. (See below)

One of the primary things is the refutation of a creator.

Precisely, because a religion is a set of beliefs geared towards the way/meaning of life that relies on the supernatural, whereas atheists are primarily irreligious or unspiritiual. They may believe that the earth/life formed one way, but the catch is that it is a way that is not supernatural. So, in essence to say that Atheism is a religion...is like saying that an apple is an orange.