The War On Christians In The Middle East

Published on July 22, 2009 By Leauki In War on Terror

An Islamic court in Shiraz, Iran has just convicted two men of being infidels. Their crime? Converting to Christianity. The possible sentence? Death. Not too far away in Saudi Arabia, an outraged father recently hacked his own daughter to death for the same “abomination.”

In the daily drumbeat of Mideast news, there is one story of historic proportion that goes nearly unreported: the persecution and systematic destruction in the Islamic world of some of the world’s oldest Christian communities.

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Eckstein is founder and president of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

http://www.christiansofiraq.com/waronchristians.html

Comments (Page 3)

KFC Kickin For Christ

on Jul 23, 2009

Yeah, really stuck too much on the Old Testament.

I would have to say by that quote that Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough...or that he's even using the bible period!

Basically they make up their own rules and play by them as well. Their playbook doesn't even remotely sound like the playbook I read.

AldericJourdain

on Jul 23, 2009

At what point did I imply in any way that secularists or atheists are the primary cause of evil BEFORE you and "infidel" brought up the theory that religion is the culprit?

My article points the finger solely at self-proclaimed followers of a religion, it had nothing to do with secularists or atheists.

Then you and "infidel" brought up the idea that "religion" is to be blamed.

I tried to keep the focus on the victims, the Christians, by pointing out that they are victims both in the Islamic world as they are in secular societies. That's why I mentioned China.

This article was not about Islam, not about China, not about religion or secularism being more evil, it was SOLELY and ONLY about persecuted Christians, who are persecuted for their religion. I just wanted to write about the victims, not accuse any belief system, not even communism.

I quoted the part about Iran and Saudi-Arabia because they persecute Christians, NOT because they are Muslim countries. I could have made the same point if the story was set in China and I knew more about China.

Some countries persecute Christians because they are Christians, and those countries are secular or religious. The common theme is the persecution of Christians.

Leauki, you're being frigging thick.

That does seem to be the most notable and consistant, but it can be anything.

The first bolded word means that it looks like it is so, but I conceded I could be wrong.

The second bold, is a statement of what I've observed. Your own points shows that religious driven terror does exist, which was part of my point.

The third bold implies that, while the first statement stands...it doesn't make the point behind it (that people are evil or whatever for reason x) exclusive.

Any other clarification needed? I guess I should also mention that the comment was directed back at Infidel, but whatever. To each their own.

Be well, ~Alderic

Leauki

on Jul 23, 2009

Why do you believe anything he says?

Why do you eat whale flesh with cream?

Leauki

on Jul 23, 2009

I would have to say by that quote that Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough...or that he's even using the bible period!

Yes, of course he isn't using the Bible.

Basically they make up their own rules and play by them as well. Their playbook doesn't even remotely sound like the playbook I read.

I just didn't want to let it stand that Phelps is the way he is because he used only the Christian Old Testament (i.e. the Hebrew Bible) as opposed to the entire Christian Bible.

Neither Judaism nor Christianity condone his behaviour in any way or form.

Infidel

on Jul 23, 2009

Why do you eat whale flesh with cream?

What?

I would have to say by that quote that Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough...or that he's even using the bible period!

Yes, of course he isn't using the Bible.

Yeah, right. As if he doesn't use the verse in the OT that says homosexuality is an abomination?

Neither Judaism nor Christianity condone his behaviour in any way or form.

I never said they do. You ARE being thick.

Starstriker1

on Jul 23, 2009

Leauki

comment 33

Why do you believe anything he says?Why do you eat whale flesh with cream?

Hah. That's awesome. Leauki, I'm stealing that for the next time someone asks me a loaded question.

(By the way, Infidel, that link is for you, since you seem to be a little confused)

AldericJourdain

Who said I was implying that religion is evil?

I was pointing out that it's foolish and naive/ignorant to say that secularists/atheists are the primary cause of evil or what not. Which, is what I infered was being implied.

Ah, that particular line was more directed at Infidel. I'd also like to say that it was meant to be humourous exaggeration, but the more I read his stuff the more I think he does equate religion with evil, so I don't really know anymore.

Infidel

on Jul 23, 2009

(By the way, Infidel, that link is for you, since you seem to be a little confused

No, you're confused. Why is Leauki using lies to try to prove I'm wrong? That is monumentally stupid.

Infidel

on Jul 23, 2009

I just wanted to write about the victims, not accuse any belief system, not even communism.

Excuse me for not being a mind reader.

I'm starting to think you're just trying to get more points.

Infidel

on Jul 23, 2009

the more I read his stuff the more I think he does equate religion with evil

Religion can and has been used to justify evil.

Leauki

on Jul 24, 2009

Why is Leauki using lies to try to prove I'm wrong?

I am beginning to wonder. Are you a professional asker of loaded questions?

Leauki

on Jul 24, 2009

Excuse me for not being a mind reader.

Some others seem to have understood it.

Infidel

on Jul 24, 2009

I am beginning to wonder. Are you a professional asker of loaded questions?

Why did you try to use Phelps' own lies to prove I'm wrong about Phelps?

Some others seem to have understood it.

Where in the body of the article did you make this clear?

I just wanted to write about the victims, not accuse any belief system, not even communism.

Leauki

on Jul 24, 2009

Why did you try to use Phelps' own lies to prove I'm wrong about Phelps?

I would think that it is obvious that Phelp's speach about Jews makes it clear that he is not a follower of the "Old Testament" either.

Where in the body of the article did you make this clear?

I also didn't make it clear, specifically, that the article wasn't about the colour of frogs. Yet nobody assumed that it might have been.

Infidel

on Jul 24, 2009

I would think that it is obvious that Phelp's speach about Jews makes it clear that he is not a follower of the "Old Testament" either.

I didn't mean to imply that. Only that he (as do a lot of people) twists, perverts and misinterprets selected parts of the Bible to justify his beliefs.

Leauki

on Jul 24, 2009

I didn't mean to imply that. Only that he (as do a lot of people) twists, perverts and misinterprets selected parts of the Bible to justify his beliefs.

So why did you say, not imply, that Phelps seems "to be stuck too much on the Old Testament instead of the New"?

Did you not realise that saying that would offend Christians (who do not believe that the "Old Testament" promoted hatred) and Jews (who do not believe in a "New Testament" and would obviously not like to be told that a self-declared Christian fundamentalist like Phelps is like he is because he focuses on the part of the Bible Jews regard as holy rather than the "New Testament")?

The anti-Semite Phelps obviously doesn't use the "Old Testamant" for anything and certainly not "instead of the New". If he did he wouldn't claim that Jews "hate God and the rule of law".

KFC's explanation already covered this:

"I would have to say by that quote that Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough...or that he's even using the bible period!"

Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough.

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