A Leauki's Writings
Culture of nation against nation of culture
Published on April 23, 2005 By Leauki In War on Terror
"If the US had invaded, say, Bolivia - Osama bin Laden would have completely ignored it. And those who would have claimed invading Bolivia had nothing to do with the War on Terror would have been correct." - Michael J. Totten

World War I was simple. It was the last great war between nations, each fighting for their own interests. There was no objective good or evil (although individual actions can be perceived as either) and there were no obvious philosophical alliances (the Entente Cordiale could just as well have not happened).

Yet World War I, so I believe now, has been the root of the next three great wars. It has been not necessarily the cause but very clearly the trigger for three even greater conflicts that were to follow. And I will also argue that these three conflicts were not different conflicts but three instances of the same disease, the same meme, if you so will, that has befallen humanity and will not go away unless eradicated wherever it made itself known.

But it will be forgotten.

It would be convincing to say that the disease is the belief that one race or nation is superior to another.

The Emperor of Ethiopia, Haile Selassie, a wholly remarkable man, has already made that point. His country was one of the first victims of the disease when Italy attacked Ethiopia in 1935.

"The very refinement of barbarism consisted in carrying ravage and terror into the most densely populated parts of the territory, the points farthest removed from the scene of hostilities. The object was to scatter fear and death over a great part of the Ethiopian territory. These fearful tactics succeeded. Men and animals succumbed. The deadly rain that fell from the aircraft made all those whom it touched fly shrieking with pain. All those who drank the poisoned water or ate the infected food also succumbed in dreadful suffering. In tens of thousands, the victims of the Italian mustard gas fell." - Haile Selassie in the League of Nations, 1936

The disease in question is the philosophy or idea of pan-nationalism. This idea goes hand in hand with delusions of superiority yet it is, unfortunately, compatible with other powers pursuing the same goals.

The principles of pan-nationalism are extremely simple:

1. Unite all members of your nation in one country, not by moving them there but by invading and taking over all lands and regions where members of your nation live, once did live, or that are simply needed as resources.

2. Exterminate all minorities (i.e. members of other nations) living in the area now ruled.

3. Find that some of your nation live or that needed resources are outside the area.

4. Repeat.

This simple program has ruled huge areas of the world in the last 80 years. Agents of the pan-nationalist program include Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Japan in the first half on the 20th century, the United Arab Republic (Egypt and Syria in 1960) and other pan-Arabist nationalists, including religious pan-Arabists, and the Soviet-Union.

Russia has always pursued a pan-Slavist strategy, trying to rule over all Slavs in Europe and thereby uniting several peoples and languages under one ruler. Whether or not the Slavs are one people or several as a fact is beside the point. There is no answer. But whether nationalism in Slavic countries appears as patriotism (based on and connected to the culture of one specific country) or pan-nationalism is the important question.

Poland is a very patriotic country. Polish nationalism is based on patriotism. Russian influence was accepted as a matter of fact but rejected when possible because Poland saw its culture as different from Russia's. Most countries of the former Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact now pursue strategies based on the principles of patriotism and co-operation with other European countries. Such co-operation in the European Union is based on common interests and the fact that one happens to live in the same region as one's neighbours; it is not based on pan-nationalism. The European Union is, or could be, the anti-thesis to the Soviet Union.

Communism was the reason the Soviet Union failed but it was not why the Soviet Union expanded. Stalin's pact with Hitler was not because of communism. Stalin's slaughtering millions of people was not because of communism. Hitler did not attack the Soviet Union because of communism. Hitler attacked the Soviet Union when it was clear that pan-nationalist interests of the two powers in central and eastern Europe clashed. And Stalin made a pact with Hitler when it presented a good chance to expand and take back what was once Russian and lost in World War I.

The Soviet Union was of course born in World War I.

Hitler failed when American and British forces resisted his rule of Europe and broke his power. But this was not before half of France fell into the trap of co-operation and not before millions were killed, among them Jews and Gipsies, omnipresent minorities in Greater Germany.

Italy, after trying to recover what was once the Roman Empire, came to its senses a bit earlier. The futile hunt for the old empire came to an end. And for a while it looked as if pan-nationalism was dead until two new heads of the snake appeared.

The Soviet Union, now a victorious world power, began to manifest itself in eastern Europe. The old Tsarist pan-slavism finally came to be when a new Russian empire ruled, with few exceptions, all Slavic peoples and countries. Eventually communism as a philosophy took over as an excuse, allowing an expansion beyond the borders of the past. One particular such expansion just happened to clash with another instance.

Afghanistan.

The second head was the philosophy of pan-Arabism. Unite all Arabs in one country was the idea, and several great dictators tried to achieve the goal. Most notable are Gamal Abdel Nasser, who united Egypt and Syria and got famous for not managing to connect the two countries on land, and Michel 'Aflaq, founder of the Ba'ath party, a party with similar goals (Michel ‘Aflaq was a Christian). Another popular player is Muammar Abu Minyar al-Qaddafi, dictator of Libya, who was once a strong advocate of pan-Arabism but has since decided that he would rather play the regional co-operation theme, with Libya being an African country rather than a part of an Arab empire.

"Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us." - Golda Meir

Arabs do not hate Israelis or Jews. But pan-Arabists hate Jews. They hate Jews, and Kurds, and black Christians, and possibly Iranians and Arabs who simply have a slightly different faith.

Palestinians do not have a country because the propaganda and common theme of Arab wars against Israel was not freedom for the Palestinian people but unification of all Arabs. The Jews were not occupying a country named Palestine with a Palestinian population, they were a non-Arab minority in the area. And Jews in Israel as well as other countries in the area suffered the fate of minorities living in the target area of a pan-nationalism franchise.

The Arab world as it is, of course, is a result of World War I. But a mistake it was probably not, dividing the Ottoman empire as it was done. Apart from maybe a Kurdish home land, which wasn't created, and a Jewish home land, which was, any further borders separating non-Arab or non-Muslim populations from the majority would probably have resulted in several invasions anyway (as happened in Israel).

One of the non-Arab countries that became a target for Arab nationalism and thus a part of the area was Afghanistan. There Arab nationalism clashed with Russia's expansionism. the result was more or less a defeat for Russia and Afghanistan, and then, finally, when the Americans and British invaded, the Arabs.

The Nasserites were earlier beaten by Israel and the Ba'athists took control of Syria and Iraq. Syria then took control of Lebanon and attempted to take over Jordan, an Arab kingdom with a king who participated when he had to but did not show much enthusiasm for pan-Arabist ideals. Both moves were opposed by Israel, and Jordan was indeed saved.

Iraq became one of the centres of pan-Arabism when Saddam Hussein supported anti-Israel terrorism and attacked Iran (which is not Arab). When after nearly ten years of war Iraq suddenly turned towards Kuwait, an ally in its war against Iran, the beginning of the end of pan-Arabism was triggered.

Suddenly other Arab countries realised that pan-Arabism involves a great danger. Saudia Arabia and the gulf nations were very frightened. They were so frightened that the Americans and British were allowed to solve their problem for them. Thus happens Gulf War II and Iraq is driven out of Kuwait.

The immediate result is that Kuwait changed sides. No longer pan-Arabist, Kuwait supported the west, its best and only defence against the dangers of pan-Arabism. The "Palestinian cause" lost sympathy when pan-Arabism showed its real face. And Saddam was eventually removed from power in 2003.

What is most remarkable, I think, about these events is not that they were all triggered by World War I in one way or another, although that is in itself a remarkable coincidence; but the support the instances enjoy among people in the democratic world.

Even now there are supporters of Nazi Germany and very prominent are, of course, the so-called war protesters, who seem to protest any war against pan-Arabism but not any other. It is often believed that wars can be avoided by staying away from them, but the history of pan-nationalism shows that the opposite is true.

The Kurds did not attack the Arabs but Saddam attacked them anyway. The United Kingdom did think that war with Germany could be avoided but history has shown that it could not.

If there is one thing we can learn from the history of pan-nationalism it is that pan-nationalism, if not attacked, will itself attack.

And nobody is out of reach.

It merely takes longer for some targets.




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on Apr 23, 2005
Enjoyable article.

I just find the idea of pan-nationalism to be, well, oxymoronic.
on Apr 24, 2005
Eastern Diamondback,

if you find the idea oxymoronic, I probably haven't been clear enough. There is a difference between nationalism and pan-nationalism. All pan-nationalism is nationalism, but not all nationalism is pan-nationalism.

Nationalism can be patriotism, based on one (current) country and connected to a culture rather than a race. The United States are nationalist in that sense.

But pan-nationalism is based on a nation, bloodline, or race and attempts to create one area for a people defined by common ancestry rather than common ideals.

The first can be isolationist, the second cannot.

As for the article being enjoyable, I have tried to point out that the subject isn't.
on Apr 24, 2005
The idea is oxymoronic because the idea of one people of one culture having political hegemony over another people of another culture to be contrary to the concept of nationalism. For example, what can be considered nationalistic about Pan Slavicism, regardless of who dominates it? With the exception of the Serbs and Croats, they all have their own languages. Each nation (which I distinguish from "state" - a poltical entity) has its own history and traditions. There isn't even a common religion for all Slavs. Truth be told, other than having a common linguistic ancestor, Slavs are hardly a united people. The two Slavic people that actually share a language are two who seem to hate each other the most - The Serbs and Croats. A pan-nationalist movement to be dominated by Russia is not pan-nationalism at all. It is little more than Russian imperialism. Poles see themselves as Poles, Slovaks as Slovaks, Croats as Croats. They may recognize a common Slavic connection, it is not their primary indentification.

Pan-Arabism is even sillier on nationlist grounds. The Arab identity was imposed upon the Middle East and North Africa by the Islamic conquest. Those people in Morocco and Algeria are typically Berbers, Egyptians in Egypt. Phoenicians in Lebanon and parts of Syria, and Iraqis in Iraq. The only people who can really be called Arabs are those in Saudia Arabia and the rest of the Arabian peninsula. The dialects of Arabic vary so widely it makes the English spoken by Brits, Americans, and Australians seem identical. Even Islam has different practices by region. And in a country like Lebanon, a significant proportion of the population isn't even Moslem, it's 30-40% Christian.

By qualifying "nationalism" with the prefix "pan-" there's an implicit recognition that the future subjects of such a potential political state don't view themselves as one common people, which is a prerequisite for nationalism.
on Apr 24, 2005
As for the article being enjoyable, I have tried to point out that the subject isn't.


I said the article was enjoyable. Never said anything about the subject.
on Apr 24, 2005
I clearly haven't communicated well enough.

I wasn't referring to one people ruling over another but specifically to one people in itself. Any other peoples in the area would not be part of the resulting pan-nationalist entity. Pan-slavism is nationalistic because Slavs are of the same bloodline. It has nothing to do with culture. In fact, I tried to explain that a culture is the opposite of the concept of pan-nationalism (hence the tag line "Culture of nation against nation of culture", perhaps that witticism was lost on you).

The point of pan-nationalism is not to find an actual relationship between the individuals beyond the common bloodline (the "nation"). Slavs are not a united people. That was indeed one of my arguments. Slavs resisted pan-Slavism for hundreds of years which is why they exist as individual nations.

And I'm afraid those politicians who very clearly advocated pan-Arabism (like the mentioned Nasser and the Ba'ath party) didn't care about minor problems like the ones you mention. If one of the Arab countries is inhabited by Berbers rather than Arabs, the Berbers will eventually be killed in the process. Your definition of "Arab" doesn't matter.

You will find that most people from Morocco to Iraq really do believe in one Arab nation, which is why Morocco is called Al Mamlakah al-Maghribiyah in Arabic, meaning "kingdom of the west" (or possibly "kingdom of the western land", I can only close in via Hebrew, and MLK or MeLeK is the root for "king" or "souvereign") and Libya is "al-Jam?h?r?yah al-‘Arab?ya al-L?b?yah ash-Sha‘b?yah al-Ishtir?k?yah" (too long for me to translate but it has "Arabiya" in it). The official language of all these countries is Arabic, of course.

I don't know how much you know about Arabic, but I found that most Arabic words closely resemble even Hebrew words. The Arabic dialects are surely not more different than Arabic and Hebrew (two languages not even in the same group of the semitic languages).

I used the word pan-nationalism to refer to one type of nationalism that is not patriotism (but often sold as such) and which has been dominant as pan-Slavism and pan-Arabism (and also pan-Germanism) many times.

And I find pointing out that there are minorities in the Arab world as a proposed refutation of the argument that these minorities are common targets of pan-Arabism rather odd. OF COURSE there are such minorities. That was the major point of my article. There are Jews and Kurds and Christians and Druze and Iranians and what-not. Just like in Germany there were Jews (Askenazim) and Gipsies and Sorbs and Poles and others. These are the typical victims of pan-nationalism. Pointing out that they exist doesn't disprove that pan-Arabism exists, it merely proves that pan-Arabism has not yet been successful.

on Apr 24, 2005
wasn't referring to one people ruling over another but specifically to one people in itself. Any other peoples in the area would not be part of the resulting pan-nationalist entity. Pan-slavism is nationalistic because Slavs are of the same bloodline. It has nothing to do with culture. In fact, I tried to explain that a culture is the opposite of the concept of pan-nationalism (hence the tag line "Culture of nation against nation of culture", perhaps that witticism was lost on you).


All I said was the concept of pan-nationalism was oxymoronic. If nationalism is the political organization of a distinct and united people, how can "pan-nationalism" exist? By their very definitions the two terms are incompatible.

And if you think Slavs are all of the same bloodline, compare a random sample of Poles and compare them to a random sample of Bulgarians. Don't confuse language and race. They don't always go hand in hand. When you a have a political state of one race, but multiple cultures, you have the old Yugoslavia. Yuogoslavia may have been a country, but it was in no way a nation.

The point of pan-nationalism is not to find an actual relationship between the individuals beyond the common bloodline (the "nation"). Slavs are not a united people. That was indeed one of my arguments. Slavs resisted pan-Slavism for hundreds of years which is why they exist as individual nations.


This is my very point. Pan-nationalism is not nationalism. Slavic peoples resisted because they don't see themselves as Slavs first; Poles, Czech, Slovaks, Serbs, or Ukrainians second. In order to united these separate peoples under one banner one would need to be an imperialist. Pan-nationalism is just another form of imperialism. If the people of all these nations forsake their prior national identities in favor of an all encompassing Slavic identity, then it may be appropriate to call their organization nationalist.

And I'm afraid those politicians who very clearly advocated pan-Arabism (like the mentioned Nasser and the Ba'ath party) didn't care about minor problems like the ones you mention. If one of the Arab countries is inhabited by Berbers rather than Arabs, the Berbers will eventually be killed in the process. Your definition of "Arab" doesn't matter.


Fine. Although it hasn't yet happened, how can one begin to even pretend that such a "pan-nationalist" sentiment is anything but imperialism?

You will find that most people from Morocco to Iraq really do believe in one Arab nation, which is why Morocco is called Al Mamlakah al-Maghribiyah in Arabic, meaning "kingdom of the west" (or possibly "kingdom of the western land", I can only close in via Hebrew, and MLK or MeLeK is the root for "king" or "souvereign") and Libya is "al-Jam?h?r?yah al-‘Arab?ya al-L?b?yah ash-Sha‘b?yah al-Ishtir?k?yah" (too long for me to translate but it has "Arabiya" in it). The official language of all these countries is Arabic, of course.


They can call themselves whatever they want, doesn't change the fact that the Maghreb, though largely Arabic speaking, is still fundamentally different culturally from those areas in the Levant and Persian Gulf. Americans speak English, as do Britons, Canadians, and Australians. We don't all have the same cultures and don't consider ourselves the same people. If America attempted to unite all these countries, under our hegemony of course, would you call that nationalism?

Do you find it coincidental that Pan-Arabism advocates tend to hail from the countries which have a desire to assert hegemony over a pan-nationalist state? You think Saddam Hussein would have been a big fan of pan-Arabism if Egypt would become the dominant power in such an organization?

And I think this is what you were looking for: Al Jumahiriyah al Arabiyah al Libiyah ash Shabiyah al Ishtirakiyah al Uzma or Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab (Country?)

I don't know how much you know about Arabic, but I found that most Arabic words closely resemble even Hebrew words. The Arabic dialects are surely not more different than Arabic and Hebrew (two languages not even in the same group of the semitic languages).


I studied Arabic for a year while in college. I graduated with a bachelor's in linguistics and a bachelor's in history. Arabic was an elective requirement (among a list of classes I was required to choose from) for graduation. Arabic and Hebrew are the two of the most closely related Semitic languages. The two languages fall under the southern branch of the central branch of Semitic language.

I can attest myself that my Arabic instructors from Lebanon stated that they could not meaningfully converse with students from Morocco colloquially. The had to use the standard form of the language to speak. Link - Varieties of Arabic

And I find pointing out that there are minorities in the Arab world as a proposed refutation of the argument that these minorities are common targets of pan-Arabism rather odd. OF COURSE there are such minorities. That was the major point of my article. There are Jews and Kurds and Christians and Druze and Iranians and what-not. Just like in Germany there were Jews (Askenazim) and Gipsies and Sorbs and Poles and others. These are the typical victims of pan-nationalism. Pointing out that they exist doesn't disprove that pan-Arabism exists, it merely proves that pan-Arabism has not yet been successful.


That's not what I said at all. I pointed out that across Arab countries, or Slavic countries, or Germanic countries, the people of the individual nations are culturally unique enough, and recognize themselves as such, that attempts to "unite" them under any "pan-" cloak are nothing more than imperialism.
on Apr 25, 2005
"I pointed out that across Arab countries, or Slavic countries, or Germanic countries, the people of the individual nations are culturally unique enough, and recognize themselves as such, that attempts to "unite" them under any "pan-" cloak are nothing more than imperialism."

Now I'm confused. If you merely agree with me, why are you convinced that the concept is an oxymoron???
on Apr 25, 2005

The US Invaded nothing , they wrongly tought they could easily liberate Irak by waging an illegal war by force from the Dictator wich whas in power. All change take time and willingness from the people who have to change.

World War I was not simple , if you think so your tottaly delusionnal. It whas not a war between nation it whas a fratricide conflict wich degenerated into a world war due to everyone choosing to take a side and pact and agreements.

no world war 1 whas not responsible for the three other war you mention , United States foreign policy where.

WW2 came because The United States crushed Germany into poverty and people saw a savior in hitler who by the way took over a group wich whas considered to be better then the red cross ( the Nazis before Hitler where a group helping Germans in need ).

Gulf war 1 , whas created because the US imposed and demanded sanction for Irak will letting Kuwait invade Irak and steal petrol from them. Thats why Saddam invaded Irak , they where forced into poverty and into a conflict by their neighbor.

Gulf War 2 started when Saddam decided to cut the oil for food program part that sent oil towards the US, wich whas the #1 participant and illegal trader during the 12 years of sanctions imposed.

The Soviet Union failed because there no longuer whas a dictator to impose is view and crush all others and the people wanting out of it. They associated there poverty with communism and soviet union , when the fact is that poor management and thievery and simple human greed whas the problem. Communism cant exist because of humans , no one whant or need the same things as others.

Hitler attacked russia , because is master plan whas to take over the world and since he whas not gaining ground in France and In Britain , but saw the Soviet Union as weak he decided to attack them instead. If he add controled Japan a little more the US would have never even joined the war as they are cowards who only act in self interest.

Soviet Union was born in World War 2 after the separation of Germany.

Hitler failed because he whas a mad man who taught is tactics of the start of the war would always work , the "Allies" where also more numerous.

Palestinians do not have a country because mainly of the the thievery of Zionist Israëlite and the United States illegal tactics and the UN stupid plans wich whas cutting the place in territory instead of country's.

You right the Jew add nothing to do with the thievery of the palestine creation , it whas the Zionist Israël that decided to steal the crown land wich whas to be given to them and the recognition and complicity in thievery from the United States who as sided with the Zionist from the start.

Palestine will get its country because people of peace are now talking to each other and trust is now possible.

The United Nations did its job in the Gulf War , its whas they who declared the war illegal and acted to stop it. Americans and British where part of it but not the only one.

Pan-Nationalism does not exist , its just another way hatred of others is justified by extremist , the root is always thinking others are not our equals. There is only one race : The human race.

The United States are not Real Americans , thats why they are United States "of America."

People who spend 100 time what the rest of the planet put togheter spend on weapon you are cowards who is afraid.
Weapon will be used , there purpose is to kill , building them is part of the problem.

Neutrality is needed to help people come together and talk , if you are sending and arming one side your not neutral.

Evil is able to strive only when good let it act as he see fit.
on Apr 25, 2005
Reality 101,

a few things:

1. World War 1 _was_ a war between nations. The other three big wars I mention are wars between ideologies.

2. The Soviet Union was born in 1917, not in World War 2.

3. Gulf War 1 started when Iraq invaded Iran in around 1980.

4. It wasn't the United States who gave land to the Jews, it was the League of Nationa and later the United Nations. The United States were not even in the League of Nations and didn't support Israel at the time. France and Britain did.

5. A Palestinian state could have been created by the Arabs when they occupied the West Bank before losing it when they attacked Israel later.

I'm afraid you don't know enough about history to understand my article.

on Apr 25, 2005

I had never thought of WWI that way.  But following your course of logic, I have to agree with you.  We often think of the Second war to be far worse, and in many ways it was.  But in the way of destablizing the world into warring ideologies, WWI was the keystone.

I want to think more on this.  Not to find any flaws, even if they exist, but to see what other ripples have come out of WWI that may be in the near future, or possibly avoidable.

Fascinating subject.

on Apr 25, 2005
Dr. Guy,

it should be interesting to learn whether World War 1 did indeed create even more problems than the ones I have found so far (they were easily seen). Perhaps after pan-Arabism is beaten we will find the next instance of the disease.

The main point is, of course, that although World War 2 was worse than the first, at least World War 2's result was an answer. In World War 2 the disease's outbreak was beaten, in World War 1 it was created. I fear that World War 1 will haunt us for some further time, the "Great War" indeed.
on Apr 25, 2005
Note that further faults in the history of "Reality 101" (who seems to be at the beginning of his course) are known to me. I didn't list the lot.

I do, for example, know that the USA did not "crush Germany into poverty". Anyone who knows anything about the end of World War 1 knows that the USA were not those who imposed the terms.
on Apr 25, 2005
following your argument on pan-nationalism (or imperialism,as E. Diamondback understands it to be), would the people of Britain, for example, whose bloodline has washed on American, Canadian, and Australian shores, now under the banner of "democracy"or "democratic nations"or whatever convenient slogan be "pan-nationalist" when it acts in concert in toppling regimes or act to veto initiatives in international bodies from countries it considers inimical to the survival of "western civilization"?

I fear that World War 1 will haunt us for some further time, the "Great War" indeed.


One can understand historically the contradictions that were created as an aftermath of WWI that served as a nidus for WWII. I have difficulty in extrapolating the condition of the "Arab world" after WWI to the emergence of the "second head of the snake" or "Pan-Arabism." You're saying "Pan-Arabism" could not have developed without WWI ?

on Apr 25, 2005
Scatter629,

If Britain tried to take over all countries once inhabited by English settlers, while legally, that is under its own law, exterminating non-English minorities in these lands, Britain would be pan-English or possible pan-Anglosaxon. Note that the British Empire does not qualify because it a) was not an attempt to unify all lands that were considered "British", was an attempt to unify several peoples under one law, and c) was, according to its law, colour-blind, which resulted in d) former parts of the empire becoming independent because their population wished such.

The "Arab world" was a part of the Ottoman Empire (which was not pan-Turkish but nearly became such when the so-called "Young Turks" took over) until the end of World War 1 when it was split it up and the League of Nations mandated the land to France and Britain. Palestine, Jordan, and Iraq were the British mandate territories, Lebanon and Syria were the French. The actual region Arabia was taken over by the Wahabists (and the Saud family) and some smaller emirates remained independent under British protection (notably Kuwait).

Among the peoples living in these territories were Arabs, Jews, Kurds, Druze, Samaritans etc.. It was the ideal breeding ground for the disease, especially when religious fundamentalism added to its power.

on Apr 25, 2005
Now I'm confused. If you merely agree with me, why are you convinced that the concept is an oxymoron???


Because I think what I'm saying nationalism is and what you say it is are different.

Nationalism - the idea that those who see themselves as one people--a nation--should govern themselves as such.

Pan-nationalism - the idea that those who don't see themselves as one people should be politically united by a dominant power under a prescribed kinship.


Pan-nationalism sounds somewhat like imperialism, doesn't it?
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