A Leauki's Writings

I am often told that there is anti-Semitism. In fact I have seen it. Almost everyone tells me that anti-Semitism is a bad thing and must be fought. In fact that point is often brought up by the same people who tell me something else as well.

They tell me that the "Palestinian Cause" is a noble cause and not related to anti-Semitism in any way; that the leaders of the Palestinian Cause and the Palestinian people have to be supported and that their fight is necessary and noble. And anyway, Israel has no reason to fight them and is the cause for the war. "We are all Hamas."

So I took the liberty of selecting a few quotes by respected leaders of the Palestinian Cause, by people celebrated by Palestinians and other Arabs today. I am here showing these quotes mixed with a few quotes by Nazis so as to present the stark difference between the evil ideology of anti-Semitism and the noble Palestinian Cause.

Of course those same people have also said other things. But Hitler also spoke about art and managed to get a few words out without sounding like a racist. So I carefully selected only those quotes that were representative of what I think could easily be mistaken for anti-Semitism.

One might argue that Zionists also make anti-Arab statements that make Zionism appear racist. But the question is whether most Jews or Israelis (or any supporters of Zionism) really consider those Zionists representative of the Zionist movement or the Jewish nation. The Arabs among the quotes were and remain respected leaders of the Palestinian Cause and are among the people I am told are our "partners" in the peace talks.

If you find a racist quote by a Zionist, I'll tell you what I think of that Zionist and I guarantee you that such a person would not have the support of a majority of Israelis or Jews.

 

And here we go: the quotes. Can you even tell who is a Nazi and who is a supporter of the noble Palestinian cause or what that cause is? Remember that we are told that the "Palestinian cause" is not about killing Jews or the destruction of Israel. And remember that the Arabs quoted are considered heroes of the Palestinian cause by Hamas and the PLO. They ARE representative of the Palestinian cause. THEY are the people you demonstrate for when you condemn Israel for fighting them.

"We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand, we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood"

"The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel."

“All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel”

“The Zionist barrack in Palestine is about to collapse and be destroyed. Every one of the hundred million Arabs has been living for the past nineteen years on one hope – to live to see the day Israel is liquidated…There is no life, no peace nor hope for the gangs of Zionism to remain in the occupied land.”

“As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel….The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence”.

“Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse any aggression, but to initiate the act ourselves, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland of Palestine. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united. I believe that the time has come to begin a battle of anihilation.”

"We want a full scale, popular war of liberation… to destroy the Zionist enemy"

“We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948.”

“The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map”

“Those [Israelis] who survive will remain in Palestine. I estimate that none of them will survive.”

"Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy."

"To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry. It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers. In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory."

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."



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on Oct 20, 2009

So now my question to you Leauki is do you or have you met any Palestinian Christians?  If so, what is their take on all this?  I know there is quite a movement over there.  This week at Thomas Road Church in VA a young Christian Palestinian couple was introduced visiting the states for just a bit before returning to the work in Israel as missionaries. 

I have met a few.

Most of them are Arab nationalists. They support the PLO and her policies, but hate Hamas.

This year's representatives of Israel to the Eurovision Song Contest were a Jewish and a Christian Arab woman. The Arab woman is a supporter of the Jewish-Arab communist party ("Hadash") who are neutral on the whole Zionism/Arab-Nationalism thing. They are certainly not supporters of the PLO. She also spoke up against Hamas and wondered why the world had become a Hamas fan club lately.

I hope your missionaries will be successful! I truly do. I very much prefer the Evangelicals over a "Christianity" that promotes Arab nationalism and Antisemitism. I hear Protestantism has made major inroads in the Arab world lately, especially in Israel and the territories as well as in Iraq. More power to them! The local churches have pretty much abandoned Arab and Assyrian Christians in many cases.

But note that there are not many Christians left in the area. Most have fled to Europe and America some time ago and not because of Israel either. Generally those who stayed are PLO supporters or so I hear.

Within Israel some Christian Arabs join the Israeli army, but this is more common among (Muslim) Bedouins. Generally non-fundamentalist Muslims are the best local allies Israel has, next to, of course, Lebanese Catholics (who are not much like Lula).

The Arabs I have met and with whom I have shared accomodation etc. were Muslims.

 

on Oct 20, 2009

it's actually both Leauki.  His own (Jews) rejected Him and he was handed over to the Romans who were not overly fond of Him either but it was all instigated by the Jewish Authority.  These leaders set out to have him killed as soon as his popularity started to get in the way of their agenda. 

I think it likely that the Jewish leadership of then was whoever was approved by the Romans.

 

on Oct 20, 2009

kfc posts:

Israel today, doesn't even have a quarter of that promised to them yet. It's still to come. What we are seeing today is just the beginning.

So, folks, here is a prime example of interpreting Scripture through the Rapturist/End-times/Zionism prism.  According to KFC, God-ordained Zionist land grabs are going to continue.

 ZERMINNI POSTS:

It is you my friend who talks nonsense, I would imagin tinged with a bit to much emotion,

Leauki's rhetoric is Zionist propaganda and Isreal damage control, but we are not supposed to notice such things...if we do, and say something disagreeable of Isreal, Zionism, Jews, etc.,  then we are speaking "nonsense" and labeled anti-Semitic.

 

 

 

 

on Oct 20, 2009

kfc posts:

Lots of talk about who this land belongs to and for any biblical Christian it's a no brainer. First and foremost it's God's to begin with. And he made it clear he was giving it to Abraham and to his descendants FOREVER. This was called the Abrahamic covenant and was UNconditional. If you wish, go back and read Genesis 15. Abraham even asked God "Lord how shall I know that I shall inherit it?"

It's plain to see in that Chapter that God swore fidelity to His promises and placed the obligation for their fulfillment on Himself alone. The boundaries of this land was even given to make it very clear.

Just for clarity, here are the passages of Genesis 15 that you are referring to:

6 Abram believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice. 7 And he said to him: I am the Lord who brought thee out from Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land, and that thou mightest possess it. 8 But he said: Lord God, whereby may I know that I shall possess it? ..... 13 And it was said unto him: Know thou beforehand that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land not their own, and they shall bring them under bondage, and afflict them four hundred years. 14 But I will judge the nation which they shall serve, and after this they shall come out with great substance. 15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace, and be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall return hither: for as yet the iniquities of the Amorrhites are not at the full until this present time. 17 And when the sun was set, there arose a dark mist, and there appeared a smoking furnace and a lamp of fire passing between those divisions. 18 That day God made a covenant with Abram, saying: To thy seed will I give this land, from the river of Egypt even to the great river Euphrates. 19 The Cineans and Cenezites, the Cedmonites, 20 And the Hethites, and the Pherezites, the Raphaim also,

First, you are confusing the Abrahamic covenants.

You say that God made it clear He was giving it (the land as described here in Genesis 15) to Abraham and to his descendants FOREVER. But your assertion isn't true. The covenant God made with Abraham of the giving of this particular land as outlined in verses 16-20 was NOT FOREVER. Note: that nowhere does it say that the land would be given or possessed by Abraham's "seed" forever. 

 Second,

This Covenant of the giving of the land has already been long fulfilled.

Almighty God has already kept His promise to Abraham and to his seed of giving the land.  Scripture is clear the promises of Genesis 15:18-20 regarding that particular covenant concerning the aquisition of the promised land were completely fulfilled.

The Lord God Himself said He fulfilled them....read Joshua 21:43-45; 1Kings 8:56; and Nehemias 9:7-8. It's right there....they all say the Lord God fulfilled His promise. These 3 passages cover a time span of about 1,000 years. 

Joshua 21: 41-43 ; the KJV 21:43-45, "And the LORD GOD gave to Isreal all the land that he had sworn to give to their fathers; and they possessed it and dwelt in it. And He gave them peace from all nations round about; and none of their enemies durst stand against them, but were brought under their dominion. 43 Not so much as one word, which He had promised to perform unto them, was made void, but all came to pass."

3Kings 8:56, "Blessed by the LORD , who hath given rest to His people Israel, according to all that He had promised: there hath not failed so much as one word of all the good things that He promised through His servant Moses."

2Esdras, alias Nehemias 9:7-8, "Thou, O LORD GOD, art He who choseth Abram, and broughtest him forth out of the fire of the Chaldeans, and gavest him the name of Abraham. 8 And thou didst find his heart faithful before thee: and thou madest a covenant with him, to give him the land of Canaanite, of the Hethite, and of the Amorrhite, and of the Pherezite, and of the Jesubite, and of the Gerzetite, to give it to his seed: and thou hast fulfilled thy words because thou art just."

Deut. 9:5-6 also reveals that it was fulfilled becasue of the oath God made to Abraham, despite the wickedness of the Jews.

"For it is not for thy justices, and the uprightness of thy heart that thou shalt go to possess their lands: but becasue they have done wickedly, they are destroyed at thy coming in: and that the LORD might accomplish his word, which he promised by oath to thy fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 6 Know therefore that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this excellent land in possession for thy justices, for thou art a very stiff necked people."

And we know the rest of the story....becasue of their continued disobedience, little by little God took the land away until it was completely decimated by the Roman Army led by Titus in 70AD. By that time God had had enough with the unfaithful, revolutionary Jews who preferring Barabbas over Christ told Pilate that the Jews had no king but Ceasar. Check history...Jthe zealot ews who refused to accept Christ ended up with the Talmud as their "book"....and from it, Messianic political Zionism was born.

These passages totally negate your foolish notion that Genesis 15:18-21 was fulfilled by God in the land known as the modern Zionist enterprise of Isreal.

kfc posts:

Israel today, doesn't even have a quarter of that promised to them yet. It's still to come. What we are seeing today is just the beginning.

This is foolish Fundamentalist Zionism talk.

Christians are to be loyal to the Gospel. The only theological mandate with the Jews is the one found in the Acts of the Apostles when St.Peter addresses the men of Jerusalem at the wake of the First Christian Pentecost Day,

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you, by miracles, and wonders, and signs, which God did by him, in the midst of you, as you also know: This man, who was put into your power by the deliberate intention and foreknowledge of God, you took and had crucified by men outside the Law. You killed Him, but God raised Him to life.....For this reason the whole house of Isreal can be certain that God has made this Jesus whom you have crucified both Lord and Christ." Acts. 2:22-23

When St.Peter said this the Jews were "cut to the heart" and asked him and the Apostles what must we do?

St.Peter answered, "You must repent and everyone of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the Holy Spirit. The promise that was made to you and to your children and for all those who are far away, for all those whom the Lord God will call unto Himself."  Peter went on and told the Jews to "save themselves from this perverse generation."

The Jews reacted about 3,000 were added that day.

on Oct 21, 2009

So, folks, here is a prime example of interpreting Scripture through the Rapturist/End-times/Zionism prism.  According to KFC, God-ordained Zionist land grabs are going to continue.

And according to Lula, G-d lied when He made His promise to Abraham.

Oddly enough you never seem to have a problem with the Arabs claiming and taking all the land in the Middle-East. It's not "rapturist/end-times prism" when non-Jews do it... Weird.

"Going to continue"... you don't even care that your original premise ("the Jews stole the land") was wrong, as I have shown. Israel offered to return the land won in wars in exchange for peace. But only Egypt took the deal, after rejecting it for decades. And that's "land-grabbing"?

 

Leauki's rhetoric is Zionist propaganda and Isreal damage control, but we are not supposed to notice such things...if we do, and say something disagreeable of Isreal, Zionism, Jews, etc.,  then we are speaking "nonsense" and labeled anti-Semitic.

Lula, you LIED about the Jews "stealing" the land.

There is no way you can simply sidestep that issue by blaming everything on "Zionist propaganda".

But let's turn this around: Do you have _any_ proof whatsoever for your statements about what the Zionists have done and what the Zionists want to do?

I reject any religious source (like "Pope Whomever said that all Jews are hell-bound") or statements by anti-Zionists. I want _real_ evidence. I want newspaper articles from the time in question, quotes by Zionists, ACTUAL (not time-machine-reversed) history, that sort of thing.

It will be a first for you, if you actually run with it!

 

on Oct 21, 2009

Leauki posts:

And according to Lula, G-d lied when He made His promise to Abraham.

Leauki,

On the contrary, my comments in post 79 clearly show that I believe God's Word that God kept His promise of land to Abraham's seed. God said so in Joshua 21:43-45; 1Kings 8:56 and Nehemias 9:7-8.

I wrote:

This Covenant of the giving of the land has already been long fulfilled.

Almighty God has already kept His promise to Abraham and to his seed of giving the land.  Scripture is clear the promises of Genesis 15:18-20 regarding that particular covenant concerning the aquisition of the promised land were completely fulfilled.

The Lord God Himself said He fulfilled them....read Joshua 21:43-45; 1Kings 8:56; and Nehemias 9:7-8. It's right there....they all say the Lord God fulfilled His promise. These 3 passages cover a time span of about 1,000 years. 

 

on Oct 21, 2009

Almighty God has already kept His promise to Abraham and to his seed of giving the land.

Again, this new, shorter "forever".

The fullfillment of "forever" takes a bit longer in my reading of the concept.

 

on Oct 21, 2009

Do you have _any_ proof whatsoever for your statements about what the Zionists have done and what the Zionists want to do?

on Oct 21, 2009

Oddly enough you never seem to have a problem with the Arabs claiming and taking all the land in the Middle-East.

I know there are some evil Arab fascists (today labeled "terrorists") who want to take over the world by the sword. War is hell and that Isreal has been at war ever since its creation in 1948 was in my first comment.

My focus in this discussion has been mainly that Isreal, far from being a victim, with all its power and might, took over and occupied the land that was long settled by Palestinian families!  What of the really, real plight of the Palestinian people who lived on the land that Isreal displaced?

But let's turn this around: Do you have _any_ proof whatsoever for your statements about what the Zionists have done and what the Zionists want to do?

Isreal is a Zionist enterprise. As far as what the Ziionists have done....look at Isreal.....Isreal has been continuously at war with her neighbors.

As far as what the Zionists want to do...well KFC has already said.... 

Israel today, doesn't even have a quarter of that promised to them yet. It's still to come. What we are seeing today is just the beginning.

I reject any religious source

In the case of who are "the Hebrew", "the Isrealites" and "the Jews", as well as my refutation of KFC's "Rapturist" assertion that Israel today, doesn't even have a quarter of that promised to them yet,  my religious source has been the Holy Bible.

 

 

 

on Oct 21, 2009

Isreal is a Zionist enterprise. As far as what the Ziionists have done....look at Isreal.....Isreal has been continuously at war with her neighbors.

So what exactly is this "Zionist enterprise"? What has Israel done?

 

My focus in this discussion has been mainly that Isreal, far from being a victim, with all its power and might, took over and occupied the land that was long settled by Palestinian families!  What of the really, real plight of the Palestinian people who lived on the land that Isreal displaced?

The "real plight" of a "people" that has a higher standard of living than Egyptians and who would be rich and live in peace if only they would stop their attacks is not bothering me much.

Israel has a lot of power and might but doesn't use it. If Israel did what it could do, Gaza would be glass.

 

As far as what the Zionists want to do...well KFC has already said....

KFC has said what she believes G-d will ultimately do with Israel. KFC's beliefs do not constitute the wants of Zionists, who are merely tools in G-d's hands.

If you believe that G-d's will is the Zionist crime, I do not understand you.

If you do not believe what KFC believes, how does that mean that what KFC believes is what Zionists want?

 

In the case of who are "the Hebrew", "the Isrealites" and "the Jews", as well as my refutation of KFC's "Rapturist" assertion that Israel today, doesn't even have a quarter of that promised to them yet,  my religious source has been the Holy Bible.

Your religious source has been decisions made by church committees.

KFC uses the Bible. You don't. This has been obvious to me and I share neither her nor your faith. Nevertheless, I have to acknowledge that KFC backs up her statements with the Bible. You don't.

Israel does indeed not control even a quarter of the land promised by G-d to Abraham and his decendants. But that doesn't mean that Zionists demand or aspire to control all that land. It's is simply a statement of fact. And it is perhaps KFC's belief that G-d will eventually increase the size of Israel to cover all that land. It's still not Zionist position. It's just what will happen if KFC turns out to be correct.

I don't need a religious source to argue that Middle-Eastern Jews have to live SOMEWHERE, that Middle-Eastern Jews are, like all minorities in the Middle-East, targets of Arab nationalists, that the Jews BOUGHT (not stole) the land they live on and won more land in wars they didn't want or start, that Hebrew is a Canaanite language related to Phoenician and that Jews are the native people of southern Canaan, related to the Lebanese (Phoenicians).

I also don't need a religious source to point out that the majority of the Middle-East and North-Africa had been handed over to Arab control and that this has not done a lot for the local populations, especially those who aren't Arab.

And I don't need a religious source to support ALL minorities in the Middle-East and North-Africa, including Jews.

If you doubt any of these or are against them, you can surely find a non-religious source for why something I said is wrong.

 

 

on Oct 21, 2009

As far as what the Ziionists have done....look at Isreal.....Isreal has been continuously at war with her neighbors.

So the Zionists have survived several wars of extermination.

That's the big crime?

 

on Oct 21, 2009

leauki posts:

Again, this new, shorter "forever".

The fullfillment of "forever" takes a bit longer in my reading of the concept.

Don't confuse the Abrahamic convenants.

Genesis 15 says that specific lands would be given...nothing there about given forever and nothing there stating the land would be possessed by Abraham's seed forever.

 


on Oct 21, 2009

If you believe that G-d's will is the Zionist crime, I do not understand you.

I believe the Zionist's crimes are sins against God so obviously they are not God's will.

I believe  KFC's false Rapturist interpretation of Sacred Scripture is helping feed the fire of political Zionism.

You are a political Zionist....You tell us what political Zionism wants...and don't say "peace" because Isreal has been at war ever since day one of its creation.

 

 

 

on Oct 21, 2009

This Covenant of the giving of the land has already been long fulfilled.

no it hasn't.  The land described with specific boundaries in Gen 15 has not been fulfilled.  I notice you put down scriptures but you ignored 1 Kings 4:21 which states:

"And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river unto the land of the Philistines and unto the border of Egypt....

notice anything? 

Solomon reigned over ALMOST all the territory promised to Abraham the most land they ever controlled.   Compare back to Gen 15 and observe that the RIVER of Egypt (Nile) there and the BORDER of Egypt here are NOT the same.  They never had control of Egypt but we can see that it was promised to Abraham back in Gen 15.  And...the river Euphrates is found in Iraq and we know that they don't control that today do they?  But they will...and will forever. 

You say that God made it clear He was giving it (the land as described here in Genesis 15) to Abraham and to his descendants FOREVER. But your assertion isn't true. The covenant God made with Abraham of the giving of this particular land as outlined in verses 16-20 was NOT FOREVER. Note: that nowhere does it say that the land would be given or possessed by Abraham's "seed" forever.

nothing there about given forever and nothing there stating the land would be possessed by Abraham's seed forever.

well it was GIVEN by God.  Soooooo God takes it back?  Takes his unconditional promise back?  He said Abraham's seed would INHERIT this land.  Did they give it away or give it back?  Can they even do that? 

Go over to 17:8 (two chapters later) and read this:

"And I will give to you and to your seed after thee the land wherein you are a stranger, ALL the land of Canaan for an EVERLASTING possession; and I will be their God." 

What does everlasting mean to you?  or how about go two chapters the other way and read this:

"For all the land which you see, to you will I give it and to your seed FOREVER.  Gen 13:15 

does FOREVER here do?   Wait.  You just said that God doesn't give land forever.  Hmmm that's not what scriptures say. 

I believe KFC's false Rapturist interpretation of Sacred Scripture is helping feed the fire of political Zionism.

you keep saying this...at least three times just on this one page alone.  What in the world does the rapture have to do with this?  This is nothing but an attack on me Lula when you can't back up your belief system thoroughly.   You're attacking my belief in the rapture when it's not even the subject matter here?   Every Christian I know believes in some sort of rapture because it is biblical.  They may not agree on the exact terms but the rapture is biblical and has NOTHING to do with this conversation. 

Everytime I back up my statements up with scripture you go on the attack because...it goes against the belief system of the RCC which is very anti-semetic and begrudges Israel and her inheritance.  It doesn't matter because when God makes these promises he doesn't back out of them.  Israel will get the land in its entirety in the future. 

 

 

 

 

on Oct 21, 2009

 

lula posts:

This Covenant of the giving of the land has already been long fulfilled.

kfc posts:

no it hasn't.

Yes,it has and you, kFC need to stop persisting in ignoring the plain reading of Scripture that clearly teaches God fulfilled His promise of land given to Abraham's seed.

 

Joshua 21: 41-43 ; the KJV 21:43-45, "And the LORD GOD gave to Isreal all the land that he had sworn to give to their fathers; and they possessed it and dwelt in it. And He gave them peace from all nations round about; and none of their enemies durst stand against them, but were brought under their dominion. 43 Not so much as one word, which He had promised to perform unto them, was made void, but all came to pass."

3Kings 8:56, "Blessed by the LORD , who hath given rest to His people Israel, according to all that He had promised: there hath not failed so much as one word of all the good things that He promised through His servant Moses."

2Esdras, alias Nehemias 9:7-8, "Thou, O LORD GOD, art He who choseth Abram, and broughtest him forth out of the fire of the Chaldeans, and gavest him the name of Abraham. 8 And thou didst find his heart faithful before thee: and thou madest a covenant with him, to give him the land of Canaanite, of the Hethite, and of the Amorrhite, and of the Pherezite, and of the Jesubite, and of the Gerzetite, to give it to his seed: and thou hast fulfilled thy words because thou art just."

Drop the Rapturiswt/Fundamenatlist Zionism ideology that drives your reading and interpretation of Scripture....rather, read these passages carefully for true meaning... Note the blue...God kept His promise....ALL the land was given and they possessed it and dwelt in it.

 

 

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