People holding Arty's point of view on this are doing a lot of wishful thinking.

Arty,

Has it ever happened that Israel was right and her enemies were wrong?

The video shows that the soldiers were surrounded by the thugs. Do you expect them to run away and then shoot?

No, they expect them to just die.

Some people have never met a good Jew who was attacked and is still alive.

The most excellent description of Turkish fuhrer Erdogan, by gay Palestinian blogger Nizo:

In Arabic it's pronounced Erdoghan, gh being like the way israelis pronounce the resh.
As for the origin of his name, that's simple. Erdogan is a Jew and Mossad agent who's on a mission to get the Arabs angry and excited enough to ask for another ultimately ruinous war with Israel. The ultimate aim is for Israel to take over Syria and Egypt and secure water resources.

Erdogan's real name is Morty Fishbein, he moved from Brooklyn to Judea-Samaria in order to start a citrus business. Thanks to his facility with languages, he was approached by the Mossad, who proceeded to train him and send him to Turkey. Missing his sojourn in the Promised Land, he wanted a name that reminded him of his agricultural successes in Eretz-Yisroel. So he picked Gan-Etrog, which he reversed into Etrog-gan, and which he eventually Turkified into Erdogan.

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On a more serious note...

https://forums.joeuser.com/383403

I wake up every morning and look at myself in the mirror and I'm still alive

But you are not a liberal, so you are not "good".

The concern was over the use of dispropotionate force against a humnitarian mission. Even the Israelis admit that the ships were not armed so why attack them causing the unfortunate death of 10 people. May be the hard line policy of the Israeli Governmant is proving a success, however the world would like to see a softer and gentler approach to the crisis in GAZA.

Yes. Thousands of demonstrations were about "use of disproportionate force" in the sense that 10 people died, in the middle-east!

That must be it.

Have you seen the video of the thugs attacking the soldiers?

I am not sure yet it's unfortunate. Turns out they were Islamists and members of a group that is considered a terrorist group by Israel and the US.

Maybe Israel should cuddle potential weapon smugglers.

Seriously, you bring up good points. But the problem is that the world will always condemn Israel, no matter what Israel does.

So Israel can just as well be violent and protect Jewish lives.

Maybe if there were some positive feedback if Israel does something the world wants, like withdrawing from Lebanon or Gaza, that would change things. But at the moment Israel is well aware that being nice means more rockets and being tough means more condemnation.

Condemnation is better than rockets.

If the world were willing to change the equation, there would be more options.

Yes a terrorist groups as defined by the government of Turkey itself!

Turkey's merely following the Obama model of American diplomacy.

What disproportionate use of force? the israeli soldiers were unarmed (paintball guns are not weapons) and were attacked with real weapons as soon as they landed, and injured. Then a second group of soldiers came to the rescue, this time with real weapons, and used them to save their commrades. there was no "disproportionate use of force"...

Also, fuck disproportionate. Its about who is the victim and who is the aggressor... The Israeli soldiers were the victims here.

I can see it now "I was only trying to rape this woman and she shot me with a gun! This is disproportionate use of force!"

Has anybody ever seen the concept if "disproportionate force" applied anywhere except with regards to Israel?

Seems to me like a new invention when the UN couldn't find any real "law" Israel might have violated.

ANY time a non-pc nation wins a fight, it is always disproportionate.  They accused Clinton of it back when he was bombing the hell out of the Serbs.  Again, Israel is collateral damage in the ideological war that liberals are waging against freedom and liberty via the media.