A Leauki's Writings
Published on January 5, 2010 By Leauki In War on Terror

This war is fought between the government of Yemen, Saudi Arabia, the United States, Morocco, and Jordan on the one side and Shiite rebels in Yemen, Hizbullah, and Iran on the other.

It has been going on since 2004.

Deaths: 8300

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%27dah_insurgency

Can somebody explain to me why those Arab civil wars ALWAYS cause more casualties and deaths than Israel's inhumane oppression of the "Palestinian people", considering how brutal and evil Israel's tactics are?

Thank you.

 


Comments
on Jan 05, 2010

Houthi leaders however claim that US involvement started on 14 December when the US launched 28 air raids.At least 120 people were killed and 44 injured by the alleged US air raids on the regions of Amran, Hajjah and Sa'ada in North Yemen, a Houthi leader was quoted as saying: "The US air force perpetrated an appalling massacre against citizens in the north of Yemen as it launched air raids on various populated areas, markets, refugee camps and villages along with Saudi warplanes, The savage crime committed by the US air force shows the real face of the United States. It cancels out much touted American claims of human rights protection, promotion of freedoms of citizens as well as democracy." The Houthi claimed that new air raids on 18 December killed 63 civilians, including 28 children and injured at least 90 people.

Any reason not to believe whatever the rebels say and conclude that Obama is a war criminal?

After all, the world believes it whenever Israel is accused of "massacres".

Of course, air raids are not as evil as using bulldozers. Air raids kill more people, but bulldozers are the Israeli, and hence eviler, way.

 

on Jan 05, 2010

Since I did the research on Wiki, I never trust them for any information that cannot be independently confirmed.  So I googled it and found other sources that did confirm this Wiki entry. http://www.historyguy.com/yemen_saada_war.htm

There are 2 times when liberals and the MSM do not care or report on deaths and destruction.  When it does not advance their cause, and when there is no identifiable "bad" guy in the hunt.

This counts on both reasons.

on Jan 05, 2010

Since I did the research on Wiki, I never trust them for any information that cannot be independently confirmed.

You realised that I used Wikipedia simply to have a source for any numbers since my point was not accuracy but whether we should simply believe everything we read, right?

 

 

So I googled it and found other sources that did confirm this Wiki entry. http://www.historyguy.com/yemen_saada_war.htm

Yes, it is in fact true.

 

There are 2 times when liberals and the MSM do not care or report on deaths and destruction.  When it does not advance their cause, and when there is no identifiable "bad" guy in the hunt.

Well, I am no friend of the Yemeni government (the last 200 Jews were just flown out of the country by the US because their homes were firebombed daily, a level of oppression the "Palestinians" cannot even imagine), but I trust them more than Iran and Hizbullah. Saudi-Arabia are more criminals than evil when it comes to taking sides. But the other three involved: the US, Jordan, and Morocco have a decent reputation. If those two kingdoms and the US agree on something and Hizbullah is on the other side, I think the situation is pretty clear.

For me. A liberal might find wars between the greatest oppressor who has ever lived (the US) and freedom fighters (Hizbullah) reason to see it the other way.

(Saudi-Arabia can usually be found on our side in conflicts because they want to survive.)

But I do believe that if the MSM reported on ALL wars in the Middle-East, and on each according to its actual casualties, only the most fanatical anti-Semites (pardon me, "critics of Israeli policies") would still pretend that Israel is oh-so-evil and "oppressive".

 

 

 

 

on Jan 05, 2010

You realised that I used Wikipedia simply to have a source for any numbers since my point was not accuracy but whether we should simply believe everything we read, right?

yes I do.  I trust you, I dont trust them.

on Jan 05, 2010

This war is fought between the government of Yemen, Saudi Arabia, the United States, Morocco, and Jordan on the one side and Shiite rebels in Yemen, Hizbullah, and Iran on the other.

 

So in other words, it's becoming a bit of a cluster...., right? Kidding, kidding. 

 

There are 2 times when liberals and the MSM do not care or report on deaths and destruction.  When it does not advance their cause, and when there is no identifiable "bad" guy in the hunt.

 

Doc, mind if I ask you a questions?

 

whether we should simply believe everything we read

 

Well said. Oddly enough, this is part of the reason I have such a hard time believing anything that comes out of Israeli press. (see below)

 

Btw, leauki - yes. I do believe that, once you take in everything about the Palestinian V. Israel problem - Israel COULD be completely innocent as a sheep with good intentions. But, honestly, the probability of that, given so many reasons - I just have a very hard time swallowing that. It smacks way too much of propaganda. (Btw, I've never said I believe all of what I read on Israel)

 

With israel, it comes down to various factors. A few:

 

1. They're a government. 

2. People are biased.

3. Governments waging battle desperately need to regulate flow of information. Look at hitler, stalin, mao, the north during the civil war, vietnam, et al. Whether they're aggressive or defensive wars - information is key.

4. Pseudospeciation - often, reason and intellect get trumped by nationalism, ethnic cohesion (cant think of the right word), etc. 

 Etc. Etc. 

 

It isn't that I hate Israeli's or the country - I find the country to be fascinating, and the people to be amazing. 

Plus, my priority in life has been, and will always be - helping truly innocent people (i.e. those in need, those caught in the middle of conflict, etc.). That's a major reason why, as I've said, I support (more so) the palestinian people who merely try to live. (NOT the politicians and not those who help the politicians fight) 

That's it. 

 

~AJ

on Jan 05, 2010

Edit: 

"Doc, mind if I ask you a questions?" - The word question should be singular. 

on Jan 13, 2010

Btw, leauki - yes. I do believe that, once you take in everything about the Palestinian V. Israel problem - Israel COULD be completely innocent as a sheep with good intentions. But, honestly, the probability of that, given so many reasons - I just have a very hard time swallowing that. It smacks way too much of propaganda. (Btw, I've never said I believe all of what I read on Israel)

Why is that probability so low?

It wouldn't be the first time that the "Death to the Jews" crowd turns out to be evil and the Jews turn out to be innocent.

(And don't give me this "Israel" is not "the Jews" crap. Israel represents six million middle-eastern Jews just like "the Jews" that perished in Europe represented six million European Jews. Not saying that you would make that point. But I thought it bears mentioning that middle-eastern Jews are just as six million as European Jews were.)

 

With israel, it comes down to various factors. A few:

 

1. They're a government. 

2. People are biased.

3. Governments waging battle desperately need to regulate flow of information. Look at hitler, stalin, mao, the north during the civil war, vietnam, et al. Whether they're aggressive or defensive wars - information is key.

Israel appears to fail completely in this regard since anti-Israel news is easy to come by. I doubt there is a single border incident in Israel that goes unreported IF Israel can be blamed for it.

In contrast the constant attacks on Israel are rarely specifically mentioned and the Sudanese refugees breaking through the Egyptian-Israeli border are hardly ever mentioned.

 

4. Pseudospeciation - often, reason and intellect get trumped by nationalism, ethnic cohesion (cant think of the right word), etc. 

 Etc. Etc. 

Many arguments are made about Israel based on some idea of ethnicity which many claim Jews are very eagerly focused on.

The truth is that Israel is a melting pot. Israel has white and black (and a few Indians). Her citizens are Jews and Arabs (and Circassians). There is no ethnicity for Israelis or Israeli policies to focus on. There is nationality, but Jewish nationality has little to do with ethnicity. A black Aethiopian Jew is as much a Jew as a white Iraqi Jew.

Hebrew nationalism (or Zionism) was a purely intellectual creation. It did not grow organically, it was created as a response to anti-Jewish sentiments in Europe and the Middle-East in the 19th century. It was, ironically, reason and intellect that led to the creation of the Hebrew culture and ethnicity came only into it when it was forced on the construct by outsiders.

This is why Israel's nationality law is indeed based on other people's definitions of what a "Jew" is. It was to make it possible to absorb anyone, religiously Jewish or not, who was being persecuted for being "Jewish".

 

It isn't that I hate Israeli's or the country - I find the country to be fascinating, and the people to be amazing. 

Thank you.

 

Plus, my priority in life has been, and will always be - helping truly innocent people (i.e. those in need, those caught in the middle of conflict, etc.). That's a major reason why, as I've said, I support (more so) the palestinian people who merely try to live. (NOT the politicians and not those who help the politicians fight)

Who are those "Palestinian" people who merely try to live?

Aren't they the same who vote for the PLO and Hamas? Why do they remain innocent no matter how often they vote "Death to the Jews"? Would Israelis be innocent, in your view, if a great majority for them voted for a party that advocates the extermination of all Arabs (or all Muslims)?

(There is no such party to vote for. The closest there is the Kach party. But they are more moderate than the PLO and have been declared illegal in Israel anyway. Not that they ever had many votes.)

If you want "truly innocent people" you can help, why choose a people of whom 80% vote for continued war and genocide and who actually have enough food and water (and cars and television sets and Internet access etc.)? It doesn't make sense to me.

Note that the next Palestinian elections, IF won by parties that do not have a Nazi past or currently shout "Death to the Jews", will totally convince me that "Palestinians" are now innocent; just like Israelis voting for parties that do not shout "Death to the Arabs" convinces me that Israelis are innocent.

Anyway, you still owe me, I think an explanation of what exactly it is you don't like about Israeli tactics. Give me an example and explain how the tactic is evil/bad/whatever and what should be done instead (and who does it).