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I guess you'd have a point if I had used your so called Christians' "sacred scripture" but I didn't... I cited Genesis and Isaias which are both part of the Old Testament.

And besides this discussion started becasue you made this misleading statement.

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You misunderstand the "denominations" of Judaism. They do not actually believe different things. They vary in traditions, not belief. They are also not "different" Judaisms, there is only one Jewish people.[/quote]

Turns out there are indeed different denominations or congregations of modern Judaism and they do believe in different things.

I wasn't referring to your quoting Genesis or Isaias, I was referring to your definitions of "Hebrews" in the context of Rabbinical Judaism.

No, they don't believe in "different things".

The Qaraites don't believe in the Oral Torah (the Talmud), but they are a very small minority and are not usually included when anyone speaks of the "different denominations".

The three largest "denominations" of modern Judaism are Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. They have different traditions, but they do believe essentially the same things.

They don't believe the same things when it comes to ordaining openly homosexual rabbis or of Isreal approving and recognizing homosexual "marriages" from other countries.  

The Conservative and Reform movements do, while Orthodox Jews don't sanction ordaining them.  

Ordaining rabbis is ritual, not belief. There is no Jewish belief that only heterosexual men can be rabbis.

And Israel recognises homosexual marriages from other countries which has nothing to do with Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform rabbis at all.

Those are differences of ritual, not belief.

You find the same type of differences within the Catholic Church, despite the fact that the whole Church obviously has the same beliefs (at least officially).

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Ha, there you go again...typical Leauki....dancing all around the point, dissembling as usual.  Knock, knock, Homosexuality is forbidden by the Torah, Lev. 18:22.

On this point alone, there are religious divisions within the Orthodox, Conservative and Reform congregations or denominations and you know it. The Orthodox believe one thing, the Conservative something else and the Reform something else again.

Ah no. Christ established one Church upon St.Peter----the Catholic Church which teaches one faith, the Christian faith known as Catholicism. Exactitude as well as moral certitude is distinctive CC characteristic. Her theology and dogmatic definitions are as clear cut and structural as the principles of the multiplication tables, while theological clarity, soundness of doctrine, and unity is completely lacking in modern day Jewry.

Unlike modern Judaism, there aren't different denominations or congregations within the CC and there are not different beliefs or doctrines within the Chruch.

No, I'm afraid your ignorance of Judaism's theology does not constitute a difference in belief among Judaism's denominations.

But perhaps for the sake of other readers I should explain.

Several things are forbidden to Jews in Judaism, among those are certain sexual practises and eating pork. Those things are indeed forbidden in the Torah.

Ordaining a rabbi, who is not a priest, has nothing to do with those laws. And while practices do differ between the denominations, no denomination believes that an individual cannot be ordained a rabbi for violation of one of these laws on a Biblical basis. So while the Orthodox do indeed not ordain female or openly homosexual rabbis, that is merely their tradition. There is no religious belief that doing so would be wrong.

If you don't believe it, look at the Madoff scandal. Yeshiva University is an Orthodox organisation with Orthodox rabbis, yet they invested money with Madoff hoping to receive interest. Charging interest between Jews is of course forbidden according to Jewish law. Yet it is done and I have not heard that Yeshiva University does not keep rabbis on their staff because paying them with money made from interest would be against the law.

Jewish law and belief does not prohibit ordaining a rabbi who openly violates Jewish law and the decision which violation can be accepted and which not is purely due to tradition and not belief. The Torah doesn't even mention rabbis and I don't think you quite understand what a rabbi actually is if you think it should.

Oh, please. Christianity has so many different denominations with different beliefs, you guys even fought wars against each other over it. Unitarians, Trinitarians, Mormons, you have everything.

The Catholic Church of course has only one set of beliefs, like Judaism, but the communities within the Church can have quite different rituals. For example the question of whether a priest can be married or not is one of tradition rather than belief, which is why some Catholic rites allow married priests and others do not. The Catholic Church is similar to Judaism in that regard: one belief system and different traditions.

It's not the ordination per se  that's the focus....it's the sexual behavior of the person who is being ordained a rabbi....

While all Jews have Leviticus 18:22 as their guide from God to go by, regarding the openly homosexual person being ordained as a Rabbi, the Orthodox believe and do one thing and the Conservative and Reform believe and do something different.

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First, Christianity, strictly speaking, is Christ's true faith and only the Catholic Church teaches, worships and carries out His commands exactly as He proscribed.

Secondly, the fact is all these many different denominations with different beliefs are Protestant in that they were all man-established after the Protestant Revolution in 1517.  They are outside  the Church and outside Christ's true faith and can't be clumped together with her.  

And this is precisely where Protestantism with its thousands of different denominations and modern Judaism with it's different of denominations are very similiar. One of the primary casues of religious divisions in the Protestant and modern Jewish world, is due to lack of terminological exactitude and unity of beliefs and doctrine which is characteristic of the Catholic Chruch and of her only.

Again, there is no Biblical prohibition against ordaining a rabbi who is known to have violated Jewish law and still does. There are just different traditions about what violations are acceptable and which are not.