A Leauki's Writings
In the past
Published on June 19, 2008 By Leauki In Pure Technology

(This is a reply to a question asked in the comments section of a previous article about Creationism. Question asked was about examples of scientific research in Islamic countries in the past.)

I am neither a religious scholar nor an expert on Islamic history.

But I do know the word "algebra" comes from Arabic and comes to us via a book written in Islamic Persia over a thousands years ago that describes algebra (as we know it).

Similarly the word "algorithm" is based on the name of another Islamic (Persian?) scholar who wrote a book about using Indian numerals (0123456789).

In fact, almost all of our mathematics (which is not technically a science, I assume) is based on research done in the Muslim world a thousand years ago, which is why we still read and write numbers right-to-left.



Don't believe me? Try these experiments:

Read the following word (spaces between letters are for effect), letter by letter. Hold a hand over the letters you are not yet reading:

C O M P U T E R

Notice how you read it from left-to-right, just like English (and the Latin alphabet) is supposed to be read?

Stay with me, I am coming to a point. Read the next word, from left-to-right:

M A T H E M A T I C S

It works again. Not try both words from right-to-left.

It doesn't work. Apparently English is read from left-to-right. We knew that.

Now try numbers. Using the same method, read the following number from left-to-right:

3 1 4 1 5 9 2 6 5 4

Yes. There is no decimal point in the number. They came later.

Can't tell what the value of the number is? Is it millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds of millions? Billions?

Something doesn't work here.

Try reading the number again, this time start on the right. You know what each digit means because of its position relative to the right side of the number.

3 1 4 1 5 9 2 6 5 4

Now you know if its 3 billions and something or not.

Reading the number from right-to-left works, from left-to-right does not.

Now use these two numbers:

3 1 4 1 5

9 2 6 5 4

And add them up. You can write them down (since you are copying them either right-to-left and left-to-right will work) and write the result under them, under a line, like this:


  3 1 4 1 5

  9 2 6 5 4

-----------

1 2 4 0 6 9

Did you find yourself writing the result from right-to-left?

Do you notice how our number system, which we got from Arabic-speaking Muslims, follows the direction of Arabic (and Hebrew) writing rather than Latin (and Greek) writing?

Now, Roman numerals are written and read from left-to-right, like Latin (and English) text:

M M V I I I

Although, since in contrast to words and Arab numerals the positions are not important, you can also read it right-to-left (or from the inside out, if you make sure to start at a good position).

In modern Hebrew, Arab numerals are used, as in English. But they are easier to read, because you don't have to skip incoming ndigits and read the number backwards to find out what they mean:

"There are 10000 fish in the sea."

"Yesh 00001 dagim baYam." (I reversed the number to simulate right-to-left writing.)

Note that unless you can immediately grasp how many zeroes there are in the number in the English text, you have to skip to the end of the number and read it right-to-left to know which number it is.


Muslims have (back then) made major advances in astronomy and architecture as well, but astronomy is really complicated and I really don't know anything about architecture. They were very advanced in the field of medicine, came up with the theory of bacteria causing diseases, found treatments, basically invented what we now know as dental surgery, and the use of anesthesia. Their books, translated into Latin formed the base of medical science in Europe for centuries.

Of course, many of the "Muslim" researchers were Jews. But the environment in which they worked allowed to scientific advancements unseen in the western (or Christian world) until, well, the age of humanism.


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on Aug 11, 2008
The reason Islam is no longer an intellectual force is because Islam is now longer a force. The religion has been largely replaced with Arab nationalism and weird fundamentalists sects like the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia, the "Muslim" Brotherhood in Egypt and Gaza, and the Khomeini idolisers in Iran.


History has shown us that when true God and His true precepts are taken out of a culture, that culture declines and Chaos moves in.
on Aug 11, 2008
The Christian world was never famous for its contributions to science,


Ha, ha, ha.   
on Aug 11, 2008

History has shown us that when true God and His true precepts are taken out of a culture, that culture declines and Chaos moves in.


Give three examples and explain why the Muslims were so far ahead technologically during the time Europe was 100% Christian.



Ha, ha, ha.


Ok. Give three examples of major contributions to science coming from the Christian world BEFORE the rise of atheism and by a scientist who was NOT punished by the church for his work.

on Aug 11, 2008
Leauki posts:
The Christian world was never famous for its contributions to science,


Ok. Give three examples of major contributions to science coming from the Christian world BEFORE the rise of atheism and by a scientist who was NOT punished by the church for his work.


Christopher Columbus...sea voyager and expert in reading and drawing maps and charts
Louis Agassis....on glacial geology and ichthyology
Charles Babbage....actuarual tables, calculating machine, foundations of computer science
Francis Bacon....scientific method of research
Robert Boyle...chemistry, gas dynamics
Louis Pasteur...bacteriology, biogenesis law, pasteurization, vaccination
Gregor Mendel...genetics
Carl Linn (Carolus Linnaeus)..classification system, systematic biology

on Aug 11, 2008
Give three examples and explain why the Muslims were so far ahead technologically during the time Europe was 100% Christian.


In comparison to the rest of the world, I don't believe the Muslims were ever far ahead technologically at any time.


History has shown us that when true God and His true precepts are taken out of a culture, that culture declines and Chaos moves in.




Do you know it was the New England Jesuits who founded Al-Hikma so the Chaldean Catholics of Iraq could have higher education and that it was the Boston Jesuits who introduced solar heating to Iraq?

Do you know that General Hassan al-Bakr and Saddam Hussein, his then assistant, stole the university?




on Aug 11, 2008

Christopher Columbus...sea voyager and expert in reading and drawing maps and charts
Louis Agassis....on glacial geology and ichthyology
Charles Babbage....actuarual tables, calculating machine, foundations of computer science
Francis Bacon....scientific method of research
Robert Boyle...chemistry, gas dynamics
Louis Pasteur...bacteriology, biogenesis law, pasteurization, vaccination
Gregor Mendel...genetics
Carl Linn (Carolus Linnaeus)..classification system, systematic biology


Lula, most of these lived during or after the enlightenment, not in the Christian era.

I have NO DOUBT that replacing a Christian society with a more secular society produces better scientists.

Gregor Mendel was great because his work provided the mechanism Darwin's theory relied on.

And Columbus was not scientist. Plus his discovery wasn't more than what pagan vikings had already found 500 years earlier and he didn't travel much further than the Phoenicians 2000 years earlier. The Muslims found as much new land in the east as Columbus did in the west.

So what about examples for great scientist during the time europe was "Christian" (i.e. before enlightenment and after paganism)?

Francis Bacon changed the way the Christian world approached science, he was NOT a typical product of that world.


"Never will the doctrine of spontaneous generation recover from the mortal blow struck by this simple experiment"

-- Louis Pasteur

And it indeed never did. Very few people now believe that any lifeform is created out of thin air.
on Aug 11, 2008





I have NO DOUBT that replacing a Christian society with a more secular society produces better scientists.


Darwinism has produced theorists not scientist. Darwinism is unscientific nonsense. Jean Baptist Lamarck was a theorist...he laid the foundation for modern evolution theory with his concept of inheritance of acquired characteristics". His book declared that the giraffe got its long neck by stretching it up to reach the higher branches and birds that live in water grew webbed feet. This is science?
Alfred Wallace is considered to be the man behind Darwin's survival of the fittest theory. He conceived this was the way species changed but the concept proves nothing. The fittest? which one is that? It's the one that survived the longest. Which one survived the longest? the fittest one? Circular reasoning is science? It was according to this guy!



Gregor Mendel was great because his work provided the mechanism Darwin's theory relied on.


Unlike these theorists, Mendel was a true scientist. His experiments with peas clearly show that one species cannot transmute into another one. He showed the genetic barrier could not be bridged. Genetics which was developed in part from his work destroyed the basis for species evolution. Genetics has only confirmed that there are only changes within species which would be true evolution. This is true of everything, plants, microbes and animals.



Lula, most of these lived during or after the enlightenment, not in the Christian era.


Sorry Virginia, I mean Leauki, we are living in the Christian era, is this not 2008 AD? Time is divided as BC "before Christ" and AD anno domino "After Christ".




on Aug 12, 2008

Darwinism has produced theorists not scientist. Darwinism is unscientific nonsense.


You don't even understand Darwinian theory so we can safely ignore that statement of yours.



I mean Leauki, we are living in the Christian era, is this not 2008 AD? Time is divided as BC "before Christ" and AD anno domino "After Christ".


Right, because it was apparently not obvious that by "Christian era" I meant the time I described (when Europe was 100% Christian).

Nice try, Lula.
on Aug 12, 2008

His experiments with peas clearly show that one species cannot transmute into another one.


How did it show that???

Let me guess: he looked at peas for a million years and they didn't evolve.

Mendel was a scientist, but your understanding of science AND Mendel's work is wanting.

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