Noah and his sons would have been of one race, of course, but the wives would have brought their own lineage with them also. So, if we only took Noah and his sons into account, then no, other races wouldn't have been involved, but looking at the offspring tells us the lineage of the mothers.

Noah and his sons would have been of one race, of course, but the wives would have brought their own lineage with them also. So, if we only took Noah and his sons into account, then no, other races wouldn't have been involved, but looking at the offspring tells us the lineage of the mothers.
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Ok, the problem I'd have with this is they all came from Adam and Eve, right? And it says they were all of one langauge and race. So where did Noah's son's wives come from?

It appears that after the flood they branched off some but didn't go very far away. It wasn't until after the Tower of Babel with all the languages being brought in they scattered with like language. I always assumed it was there that Ham...or Canaan (more likely)settled into what is known as Africa today. Using Gen 10 geneologies as proof that it was Ham's descendants that moved out to N. Africa.

Other than that I don't know what else we have to go on.

I am sorry, KFC, but I am talking about history here, not Biblical mythology.

I accept that a man named Noah probably lived and that the Bible tells us his story, although the Bible is, as a source, merely a book. It gave me the question, it doesn't give the answer.

Do you have any actual _evidence_ for anything you say above?

Languages are much older than Biblical history. They did not start with the Tower of Babel. I also don't see your proof that Hams' descendants moved to North Africa. I accept that Ham might have existed (why not), but Africa was settled a _long time_ before Noah lived.

Biblical mythology doesn't give us any answers and doesn't prove anything except that people once believed the stories. We can read the Bible, learn about Noah, and ask ourselves if we can find evidence for his real existence. But we cannot read the Bible and simply accept it as evidence for the very claims contained within it. That would be blind faith, not study of history.

Ted is right, the wives would or could have been from other races. But we now know that humanity did not descend from Noah. We also know that (ethnic) Jews and Arabs are indeed closely related, which means the story about Isaac and Ishmael, while not literally true, can be taken as a good summary of real history (Jews and Arabs are indeed the descendants of brothers).

Some statements in the Bible are principles which can be true or false. Some are statements of facts which are either true or false or have a higher or lower probability to be one of them. And some are statements that logically follow from previous statements.


"G-d exists."

This is a principle. We cannot prove or disprove it ever.

"The world was created."

This is a statement about reality. Science currently tells us that the world indeed had a beginning and didn't exist forever.

"G-d created the world."

This probably follows from the first two. If the world has a beginning and G-d exists, He created it.

"Adam and Eve were the first human beings, all human beings descend from them."

We know that this is not true. The Bible also does mention that other human beings existed outside paradise.

"Noah and his family were the only survivors of a world wide flood."

We know there was no world-wide flood. We know that there were many, many survivors of many floods over millenia.

"Noah and his family existed and lived through a flood."

This is very likely to be true. It happened to many people, why not to a guy named Noah? And yes, he would have a wife and sons and daughters-in-law.

"Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt into the land of Israel."

There is no evidence for it but it can be true. There is no reason to doubt it, really, unless evidence is found that disproves it. Jews certainly told the story for thousands of years.

"Isaac and Ishmael were brothers and the ancestors of Jews and Arabs."

True, at least as a summary of events. Jews and Arabs are indeed closely related and their languages are very closely related too. In fact, Hebrew and Arabic are a lot closer than 2500-3000 years of history as two distinct peoples would suggest. (But Semitic languages tend not to change as quickly as Germanic and Romance languages.)

The Bible tells us the history of the Jewish people. But it does not confirm it as well. That's why I asked the questions.

Well I'd say the bible's point was to tell us about God. The Jewish people are a vehicle that God used to show the world who he is and also to bring his son into the world to save men. I think the bible does confirm itself with the NT writers as well as Jesus confirming the OT Prophets. But even if you don't accept this, there is enough evidence to show us that the events are historical and true.

Questions are good.....LOL. I ask many myself. It's the only way I learn.

there is evidence of a world wide flood.


but that evidence is being misinterpreted either by accident or on purpose don't know which.


and that evidence is the layer of sand that separates the so called dinosaur era from ours.

the only way to distribute that layer evenly is through water not fall out. fall out would get thinner the further it gets from point of contact. yes the layer is thicker near the impact point but when you get outside of that thick area it is all the same thickness give or take. also if people were living for almost a thousand years how many graves would there by. by that i mean how many dead bodies would be lieing around to fossilize.

the other question to ask is why are the two major continents moving away from the Atlantic.

continent 1 Europe, Asia and Africa.

continent 2 north and south America.

Leauki, I guess that's why you ignored my answers too. Sorry to taint your intellectual discussion with what you apparently consider backward superstition. Don't bother blacklisting me for it all, I'll just not bother returning to where my thoughts aren't welcome.

i truly don't know why i'm wasting my time refuting something so ridiculous except trying to discharge my fish-belly heathen duty to save you from wallowing in such abysmall ignorance.**



i believe you're from utah or, perhaps, still live there. even if neither is the case, you may be familiar with zion national park. hopefully you also have been to the grand canyon or seen a pic of it.

the image above shows a cross-sectionof the roughly 5100' stratified geology of zion national park. direct your attention to the two lowest formations (consisting of kalab limestone and toroweap sandstone respectively). combined they add up to about 750'of rock. (you will have to click on the bar at the top of the image to see the bottom layers--sorry.)

they also form the very top two layers of the grand canyon. in other words, the kalab layer is 5000' above the bottom of the grand canyon gorge.

see the layers identified as the 'chinle'? it contains fossils dating from the time before dinosaurs existed. above it--in the moenave formation--are found fossilized remains of fish as well as evidence of streams and lagoons as well as the springfield sandstone bed. streams and lagoons woulda been washed away in a flood no?

above that is the kayenta formation which was formed by slow-moving sedimentation (once again streams). otherwise there wouldn't be so many preserved dinosaur footprints.

see that big ol thick layer of navajo sandstone?

if you're under the misapprehension that was laid down during the flood, then how did the majority of dinosaur fossils which have been found in zion wind up ABOVE it in the temple cap and carmel formations?

if that's not the layer of sand to which you referred, where exactly would that layer be? other than in the darkness into which those whose heads are up their asses seem to continually be peering?

** just in case lulapilgrim should happen upon this, there is no fish-belly heathen organization nor any tenet requiring anyone to rescue the ignorant. i'm amusing myself at the expense of those self-righteous believers who've permitted pride to blind them to the possibility any of the rest can figure out right from wrong.

Good questions, this is my real attempt at trying to answer your questions.

Question 1

How did Egypt evolve into the expensive pharaonic system several thousand years ago?

Since history is good at repeating, I would guess some combo of Religion/Politics/Resources

Question 2

Was there a series of civilisations before the current series of civilisations?

Of course, why wouldnt there have been?

Question 3

What happened 5766 years ago?

Some body told a good story (true or false), that was worth passing on. The story wasnt necassarily started 5766 years ago, it is more likely that, that was just part of the story

Question 4

What people did Noah belong to?

Depends on who was telling the story (history repeats, and it has been proven over and over that history has little relation ship to reality)


Question 5

What is left of the deep past?

Stories (true or false) most likely false, except for the part with dragons of course, they were real.
Fossils, fire rings, and garbage dumps.