A Leauki's Writings
1. Jerusalem remains Jewish, with special rights for an Arab state to the Temple Mount.

2. Hevron becomes part of an Arab state, which special rights for Israel to the Cave of the Patriarchs.

3. Jewish towns in the West-Bank get annexed to Israel.

4. Arab towns in Israel get annexed to an Arab state.

5. Alternatively to or in conjunction with points 3. and 4., Israel and the Arab state (possibly Jordan) form a EU-like federation where citizens of both countries have the right to live and work in either country but vote only in their own. Arabs born in Israel automatically become citizens of the Arab state and Jews born in the Arab state automatically become citizens of Israel, with exceptions for Israeli Druze and those Bedouin clans who want to remain Israeli.

6. Gaza can join the federation as part of the Arab state or remain independent and choose between a state of war or peace between herself and Israel and Egypt. The Arab state has the right to override Gaza's decision and invade Gaza from Israeli territory at any time it chooses. Israel must provide any diplomatic and military aid the Arab state deems necessary for the invasion at that time.

7. Refugees will be compensated by the two sides. Arab refugees will be compensated by Israel. Jewish refugees will be compensated by the Arab League. The Arab League will decide how much compensation each refugee will receive.

8. Property lost by the refugees will remain de facto and become de jure the property of the state.

9. Israel and the Arab state form a single football team and will automatically qualify for every worldcup finals forever.

10. If the Arab state breaks this treaty Israel shall have the right to re-occupy the Palestinian territories without obligations. If Israel breaks the treaty, the Oslo treaty broken by the Palestinian side will take effect again.



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on Sep 07, 2010

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on Sep 07, 2010

Bold move to put plan to paper.  Personally, I do not think any plan will work until the Arab world gets behind it and slaps some sense into the radical Palestinians.  As long as they "think" they have support for their genocidal policies against Israel, they will not sit down in good faith at the bargaining table.

on Sep 07, 2010

The Arab world cannot move faster than the western world. Currently the western world dictates what Arabs must think. If you ask individual Arabs from the Gulf or even Saudi-Arabia, you will find much more support for Israel's side than you would reasonably expect. But the west, particularly Europe, continues to support whomever promises to kill the most Jews for some reason.

Arabs have long stopped sending money to Palestinians. The Arabs also won't fight wars for their "Palestinian cause" any more. Syria is the only Arab country still hostile to Israel. Lebanon is hostile to the extent that Syria manipulate them. All other Arab countries are on rather friendly terms with Israel if you ignore the posturing. The Muslim protesters in the west are also not so much Arabs as they are Pakistani, I think. And I have also heard of Egyptians living in Ireland who are surprised by Irish antisemitism and are offended when irish antisemites think that they can talk freely in the presence of an Egyptian. (It's not customary to talk to strangers about how bad other people are in the Arab world. That's a European custom.)

Because of this the Arab world cannot slap sense into the radical Palestinians, because radical Palestinians have so much support in Europe.

I think Bibi (Netanyahu) should simply propose my plan in Washington, tell the PLO to accept it or invite Israel for new talks from scratch (divide West-Bank 50/50 and start from there) and fly home. If Abbas is smart he will accept the plan because it will make him and his cronies kings of "Palestine" with free access to the Israeli economy and a return for the "refugees" who as citizens of Abbas' state could travel to Israel freely and live there if they like.

Once Abbas accepts the plan, the story is over. The war won't be, but it will take Europe a long time to find a new official "Palestinian" ally and the UN cannot easily drop Abbas as the "official representative" of the "Palestinian people" they made up.

Ideally the "Palestinian" state would become part of Jordan which would gain a port in the mediterranaean (Gaza) and access to Israeli harbours. By proposing the EU-like federation the question of Jews settling in Transjordan will come up, making it easier to discuss the issue of Arabs settling in Cisjordan.

 

 

 

 

on Sep 07, 2010

A two state solution? And why would the Palestinians agree on that when in two or three decades the majority of Israels citizenship will be Arab anyways?

on Sep 07, 2010

A two state solution? And why would the Palestinians agree on that when in two or three decades the majority of Israels citizenship will be Arab anyways?

Who said they would agree on that?

I think Bibi should propose that plan and fly home. I don't think there will be peace before the Arabs give up their claim to rule all non-Arab peoples of the middle-east. That hasn't happened yet. We need to see reforms all over the "Arab" world.

Morocco and Algeria will have to recognise the native Berber population and make their language an official language. Egypt will have to grant equal rights to the Copts. Sudan will have to stop enslaving and murdering Africans. Syria will have to withdraw from Kurdish territories. The Arab League must leave Lebanon alone.

Only then will peace be in sight.

As for the demographic threat in Israel, the religious Jews multiply faster than the Arabs. At some point Israel will need its Arab population as a counterweight to religious Jews. But then the secular Hebrew (Zionist) culture also attracts both Arabs and religious Jews. I personally wouldn't mind even an Arab majority if the country keeps its Hebrew culture.

 

on Sep 07, 2010

moshi
A two state solution? And why would the Palestinians agree on that when in two or three decades the majority of Israels citizenship will be Arab anyways?

I believe Hamas basically said that today.

However a majority of Israel being Arabs does not make it an Arab state - or do anything for Palestinians in any event.

on Sep 07, 2010

Leauki:

As sad as it is, there will be no peace until Israel is no longer a Jewish state. Demographics indicate this will be case in the future. Let's hope that there will still be a place for Jews in the new Israel then.

 

Dr Guy:

You are aware that an Arab majority will mean an Arab government?

on Sep 07, 2010

And as I said, religious Jews outbreed the Arabs at the moment. I am more afraid of Israel becoming more religious than more Arab.

An Arab majority would not necessarily mean an Arab government. The majority of Israeli Arabs vote for Zionist parties. Plus there are lots of possible solutions to avoid an Arab majority ranging from increased Jewish immigration to expelling Arabs.

 

on Sep 08, 2010

Still Arabs outbreed Jews. I don't think any of your possible "solutions" will change that. Increased immigration? Maybe lower emigration first. And expelling Arabs? Maybe "Homelands" as in South Africa? That would loose Israel all support you claim it has in the region.

The majority of Arab Israelis boycotts elections. The few that vote for Labour probably do that because they regard the currently available Arab partys as Quislings.

 

 

 

on Sep 08, 2010

Still Arabs outbreed Jews. I don't think any of your possible "solutions" will change that. Increased immigration? Maybe lower emigration first. And expelling Arabs? Maybe "Homelands" as in South Africa? That would loose Israel all support you claim it has in the region.

You'd be surprised how little the people of the region care for and about Palestinians.

Israel expelling them (or simply withdrawing from the area around Arab towns, given that the Arab League sees all of Israel as "occupied territory" anyway) wouldn't change much. A withdrawal from and denaxation (or whatever the opposite of annexation is) of certain areas could be sold to the world as an attempt to create a viable Palestinian state.

 

The majority of Arab Israelis boycotts elections. The few that vote for Labour probably do that because they regard the currently available Arab partys as Quislings.

Not according to the numbers I last saw.

on Sep 08, 2010

Still Arabs outbreed Jews.

Again, religious Jews outbreed Arabs.

 

on Sep 08, 2010

moshi
Dr Guy:

You are aware that an Arab majority will mean an Arab government?

Does Israel now have a Jewish Government?  It has an Israeli government, but I do not think most (I know some would) call it Jewish.  That is problem #1 with the direction your question is heading.

Problem #2 is that while one may argue that all Palestinians are Arabs, not all Arabs are Palestinians.  In other words, basic logic states that just because all A are in B, does not mean all B are in A.

Problem #3 is a typical mindset of liberals in America (this is a generic statement as I do not know your political persuasion).  It is personified by the bigot Harry Reid who proudly proclaimed he could see no reason that any Hispanic would be a republican (he seems to think all minorities should be slaves - but that is beside the point).  Clearly what America calls a "Hispanic" has nothing to do with nationality, culture or agenda.  It is an arbitrary race classification created by a government trying to pigeon hole all people into a race hole.  Cubans perhaps share a very distant ancestor with Ecuadorians, but little else.  The same is with Arabs.  It is a convenient, but incorrect way to try to pigeon hole all peoples who share a common ancestor (but then if you go back far enough, we all do, now don't we?).  It is a cop out.  An easy way to either include or dismiss a segment of the population based upon preconceived biases.

So, while the majority of Israelis would be Arab, that does not mean the government would be.  Nor does it mean they would adopt an agenda that mirrors, parallels or in any way resembles any other government in the Middle East (it could, but the mere fact of the demographics does not dictate it to be so).

on Sep 08, 2010



Leauki:
As sad as it is, there will be no peace until Israel is no longer a Jewish state. Demographics indicate this will be case in the future. Let's hope that there will still be a place for Jews in the new Israel then.
 
Dr Guy:
You are aware that an Arab majority will mean an Arab government?



Still Arabs outbreed Jews. I don't think any of your possible "solutions" will change that. Increased immigration? Maybe lower emigration first. And expelling Arabs? Maybe "Homelands" as in South Africa? That would loose Israel all support you claim it has in the region.
The majority of Arab Israelis boycotts elections. The few that vote for Labour probably do that because they regard the currently available Arab partys as Quislings.
 
 

Most Arabs that live in Israel and that have Israeli citizenship, which most do, want to keep it that way. Most see and know that they have it better under the Israeli government than under a PA government.  They may verbalize support for a PA government but as long as it doesn't affect them.  If it does happen they stand to lose at lot.

on Sep 19, 2010

1. Jerusalem remains Jewish, with special rights for an Arab state to the Temple Mount.

No part of the Temple Mount should ever be in Arab hands. The very name bespeaks it's "ownership". It belongs to G-d, and the stewardship belongs to the Jewish people.

on Sep 19, 2010

No part of the Temple Mount should ever be in Arab hands. The very name bespeaks it's "ownership". It belongs to G-d, and the stewardship belongs to the Jewish people.

The name of the Temple Mount bespeaks its ownership. The owner is G-d.

The Muslims came to Jerusalem to liberate the city from Christian rule and it was the Muslims who allowed Jews to return to Jerusalem. Saladin finally declared the exile over.

We appreciate that the exile is over and rule our city once again.

But that doesn't mean that Muslim history vanished from the city or that we shouldn't respect what the Muslims build for G-d on the Temple Mount. What the Arabs have done in the 20th century does not negate all the good things the Muslims have done in the past.

One day the Messiah will come and rebuilt the Temple. Until then we don't need the Temple Mount. The mosque on the Temple Mount is a guarantee that Muslims will not dare to destroy our holiest site. The Muslims can use it in the meantime.

Of course, the "secular" "Palestinian" state does not represent all Muslims and whoever watches the Temple Mount for us should. And that brings us back to Jordan being the "Palestinian" state. The King of Jordan is a descendant of Muhammed and of the last sharif of Mecca.

The only solution that could work is a two-state solution with Jordan and Israel being the two "Palestinian" states.

 

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