A Leauki's Writings
Published on July 12, 2010 By Leauki In War on Terror

Like most evil bloodsucking imperialist Zionists I want to return the occupied territories (sans Jerusalem which was supposed to be international territory before the 1948 Jewish majority population was meant to vote to be annexed by either country) to Jordan and Egypt.

It's against terror we fight, not for land. So they can have the land, in exchange for peace. That always was Israel's position.

It would be nice to keep Jewish "settlements" in the "West-Bank", especially those that were "illegally" founded 3300 years ago (Hevron), but it's really not something I would insist on. Let's keep just the land we bought, the land of allied Arab tribes, and some buffer zone won in any of the wars the Arabs started. That's enough for this imperialist.

Imperialism has changed since the countries that criticise Israel have practiced it, hasn't it?

Anyway, here comes a good proposal from an MK (Israeli parliament member), quoted in full:

Member of Knesset Ayoub Kara (Likud) said Sunday that Gaza should be put under Egyptian control. Interviewed on Arutz Sheva's Hebrew journal, the deputy minister for development of the Galilee and the Negev said that the Arabs, in general, are always talking to Israel about returning to the situation before 1967, when Gaza belonged to Egypt and Judea and Samaria belonged to Jordan.

Kara said the proper thing is Israeli cooperation with Jordan and Egypt since there is no leadership in the Palestinian Authority. Even if Egypt doesn't like the idea, it's desirable for it to take over Gaza to defeat the terrorist aims of Iran, which threaten the government in Cairo.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/189908

 


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on Jul 12, 2010

Incidentally, Mr Ayoub Kara MK is an Arab.

 

on Jul 12, 2010

If this is about a Palestinian state (a third one after Transjordan and Israel) returning Gaza and the West-Bank to their former occupiers should be a step forward.

Egypt and Jordan can then found a state in the territories and that new state can talk to Israel about the status of the Jewish-majority city they claim as theirs on the basis of the original 1948 partition plan rather than on the basis of Jordan's annexation of the holy sites in 1949.

 

on Jul 12, 2010

I never could see the logic behind the Gaza strip not being returned to Egypt following the 73 war.  The returned the rest of Sinai, and as you indicate, there is not much of a governance there.  But While it would seem to be a natural (barring an attempt by Israel to annex it), Egypt is not that stupid.  For if they had it, then attacks on Israel from Gaza would be acts of war from Egypt.  And for the Rachel Corries out there that think the Israelis have been harsh in dealing with the Gaza Palestinians, they would get a big eye opener when Egypt cracked down (no one wants a bunch of hot heads starting a war for them).  The flaw in Mr. Ayoub Kara's plan is that Egypt does not want them.  As Israel's problem, they can smile and chortle at the problems vexing Israel.  As an Egyptian province, they would inherit those problems.

on Jul 12, 2010

Obviously this is why Egypt doesn't want Gaza.

But it would be good for Israel to talk about giving back Gaza (and the West-Bank) ALL THE TIME in order to make those who accuse Israel of "imperialism" and those who pretend to remember a country named "Palestine" look like complete fools in the eyes of the uninterested.

Mr Kara, like many Israelis, Arab and Jew alike, is just sick and tired of having this problem.

Israel should work out a deal with the UN similar to what they did in southern Lebanon but with an obligation for the UN to pay Israel for each rocket that UN peace keepers didn't stop. The UN should then take over the blockade and allow whatever goods they want into Gaza and Israel could close the borders for good. (In fact, so could Egypt.)

The demand for Egypt to take Gaza back would be propaganda, since Egypt doesn't want it. But a UN-controlled Gaza _AND_ a treaty that makes the UN pay for each attack originating from its (Gaza) territory would work. The UN could then treat the precious Palestinians with as much luxury goods as they think they deserve. And if Hamas continues the war, Israel would make 300 million dollars per year from the UN.

Israel should simply focus on the "1967 borders" (which never existed) and make it clear that Jerusalem was never a part of a planned Arab state and indeed was supposed to be an international zone until a vote in (Jewish-majority) Jerusalem would decide whether Jerusalem would become part of an Arab state or part of Israel.

That was the right-wing version.

Here's the left-wing version:

Obviously Egypt supports independence for the Palestinian nation. That's why they don't want Gaza back.

But Israel could return Gaza to Egypt, a state friendly towards the poor oppressed Palestinians, and the West-Bank to Jordan, a country that knows how to behave towards the Palestinians and certainly doesn't kill the same number of Palestinians as Israel did. The Israeli imperialists [I just realise that I cannot find a way to describe how Israel's policies are imperialism like a left-winger would]... And we can start rebuilding Palestine.

Mr Kara, like many dirty Jews^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HZionists living in the apartheid state that oppresses Arabs and never allows them to have civil rights let alone full participation in the political system is just sick and tired of solving the problem he caused in 1948 when Israel attacked the entire world while expelling Arabs from their home land in which Jews were a tiny majority.

The UN should work out a deal with Israel similar to what they did in southern Lebanon. But since that has worked so well the UN could tell Israel that the UN would pay for each rocket that would be fired from Gaza in the future. The UN can then make sure that no weapons are imported into the territory which without Israeli opression won't have an interest to act violently anyway. UN-controlled Gaza could then close its borders with Israel like most Arab countries had traditionally done. (In fact, so could Egypt.)

The demand for Egypt to take Gaza back is obviously propaganda, since Egypt supports freedom for the Palestinian nation. But a UN-controlled Gaza and a treaty that would offer Israel money for attacks against her would work. The UN could then finally deliver food and medicine as required to Gaza. And since Hamas only fires rockets at Israel because of the occupation and blockade, Israel would gain absolutely nothing from the treaty!

Israel should simply focus on the 1967 borders and we'll continue to pretend that the Old City of Jerusalem was supposed to be part of an Arab state [damn... broke character] and was never ever a Jewish city, not in Ottoman times and certainly not after Israel occupied it in 1967. We don't know anything about Jerusalem between 1948 and 1967.

 

 

on Jul 12, 2010

I don't believe Egypt would want it. Too much of a head ache.

on Jul 13, 2010

I don't blame Egypt for not wanting it.  Especially now, since at one time the land was really good land is now just a pile of dookie. There are some areas that are still on par on what it is.

Since Iran, wants that land so bad, they should give it to Iran.  Let Iran deal with it.  Both Jordan and Egypt, would totally not want that because they know that would cause the potential of instability in their governments. 

If Iran or Turkey wants to give humanitarian aid, then what a great opportunity for them to take on this project.  Lebanon or Syria would be potential for they are bordering but they could not handle it for their governments have fumbled around with their money (sounds like a situation of another country's government hmmm).

Agree somewhat about having Egypt take it, but Egypt has been a good ally with Israel (especially in the trade aspect and to some extent Jordan has been somewhat good of an ally who shares on some occasions intelligence) and doing this could strain the relationship.

I think giving the land to the countries that are being the aggressors with this whole humanitarian aid fiasco would shine the light on if they truly wanted to aid. 

If Iran got and obviously missed it this would just be further justification of Iran's intentions.  I think Iran likes its distance from Israel. 

 

on Jul 13, 2010

Giving Gaza to Iran (and getting them to take it) would mean more rockets. And Israel would be demonised when she fires back.

The only solution that can work is one where Israel doesn't have a reason to fire back. If Israel gets paid for each rocket that hits it, Israel doesn't have to react. The people of Sderot will continue to live in fear, but at least they will get filthy rich while doing so.

In the mean time, the UN will pay and pay while the world sees that Hamas fires rockets at Israel for reasons other than "occupation" or "blockade".

Once Gaza is under official UN control, anyone who wants can deliver whatever aid they want. Israel will save a lot of money that way. And those who want to demonise Israel and boycott Israeli goods and firms will find it harder to explain why all this would be Israel's fault.

 

on Jul 13, 2010

So this is what Israel should do:

1. Remind the world of the legal partition plan which said that Jerusalem (and Bethlehem) would be put under international control for ten years when a referendum in the territory would decide which state it wants to join. Jerusalem had a Jewish majority since the early 1800s, hence Israel will keep the city.

2. Offer to return Gaza and the West-Bank sans Jerusalem to its previous occupiers, who can reject the return and propose an alternative.

3. Offer to the UN to take over the Gaza blockade and pay Israel US$ 100,000 for each rocket that Gaza fires into Israel. Remind the UN that according to popular theory the rockets are only fired because of occupation and blockade and hence would stop immediately when Israel withdraws completely. Hence this would be cheap for the UN and everyone would be free to deliver as much aid to Gaza as they want.

4. Completely close the border between Israel and the international territory of Gaza once the UN agrees to the terms. If the UN do not agree, revert to the blockade as it was, reminding the world every day that the blockade will end once the UN take over Gaza.

5. Do with the West-Bank whatever Jordan proposes but propose land swaps. IGNORE the PLO. This plan is based on the assumption that the West-Bank was occupied by Jordan and then by Israel. This occupation has to be undone, in the proper order.

 

on Jul 13, 2010

Giving Gaza to Iran (and getting them to take it) would mean more rockets. And Israel would be demonised when she fires back.

But you miss a nuance.  IF Iran gets it and the rockets come, then Israel is justified in bombing Iran (they are Bombing Israel after all).  And Israel would not be going after schools and hospitals.  But it would make the UAE, Dubai and Saudi Arabia happy with their targets (although not officially).

Forget the money aspect. If it is in anyway a reasonable approach to contain terrorists, despots and crackpots, the UN will never be a part of it. 

on Jul 13, 2010

But you miss a nuance.  IF Iran gets it and the rockets come, then Israel is justified in bombing Iran (they are Bombing Israel after all).  And Israel would not be going after schools and hospitals.  But it would make the UAE, Dubai and Saudi Arabia happy with their targets (although not officially).

It doesn't matter if Israel is justified in firing back and whether Israel fires at schools or military targets.

What will be reported is this:

1. Israel attacked Iran.

2. Israel bombed schools.

The first will be the result of the media ignoring the war before Israel fired back and the second will turn out not to have been true two weeks after the world has denounced Israel.

We need a solution that doesn't require Israel to fire back.

 

Forget the money aspect. If it is in anyway a reasonable approach to contain terrorists, despots and crackpots, the UN will never be a part of it.

The UN will be if it is run by stupid idealists who believe in their own lies. If the UN believe that the terrorists want peace, the UN will bet on that. If the UN refuses to bet on what the UN keeps saying is true, Israel can use the refusal to its adantage.

It doesn't matter how this ends, the point is that it shifts the discussion from "why does Israel do x" to "why doesn't the UN do y".

 

 

 

on Jul 13, 2010

It doesn't matter if Israel is justified in firing back and whether Israel fires at schools or military targets.

What will be reported is this:

1. Israel attacked Iran.

2. Israel bombed schools.

You are correct on the first, but (with the exception of this administration), wrong on the 2nd as  the US will support Israel on the first.

It does not matter who is pulling the trigger in Gaza, Israel will be blamed by most of the UN.  However, it will matter when it comes to sanctions and support from the US.

on Jul 13, 2010

The UN will be if it is run by stupid idealists who believe in their own lies.

No, not as long as it is the right thing.  because the other side (the tyrants, terrorists, despots and crackpots) are always right, and as you indicated, Israel never is. (for that matter, neither is the USA).

on Jul 15, 2010

No, not as long as it is the right thing.  because the other side (the tyrants, terrorists, despots and crackpots) are always right, and as you indicated, Israel never is. (for that matter, neither is the USA).

But you could be, if you criticise Israel.

 

on Jul 15, 2010

But you could be, if you criticise Israel.

Yes, prostituting yourself for a John is always the best way to avoid STDs.

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