A Leauki's Writings

Since I just sold a flat in Berlin (my dad was using it until late last year) and since I am thinking of buying a place in a few years, I searched the Web for property and mortgage information, theoretical such.

I found this interesting article from 2007 which gives an example of how circumstances can change. Don't bother reading the article itself, I will quote the relevant sections and numbers.

http://drhousingbubble.blogspot.com/2007/07/foreclosure-story-how-does-process-look.html

From the article:

Joe and Mary

Ages: 29 and 28

Professions: Joe - Senior Account Executive (lender), Mary - Real Estate Agent

Location: Orange County

Yearly Income Combined: $130,000 Gross

Net Monthly Income (After Taxes): $8,200

Automobiles: Mercedes E350 Sedan ($599/33 month Lease), GL 450 Suv Purchase ($56,000)

Monthly Auto Fuel Cost (Filling up Once Per Week): $350

Home Purchase: Costa Mesa 4/2 Home, Bought Late 2004 for $675,000

Credit Card Debt: $25,000

Monthly Food Budget (Including Dining Out): $700

They are both a bit younger than I (I am 32) but seem to be in the same income range as I. I don't have a car. And I never had credit card debt of more than EUR 4000 or rolling credit card of more than EUR 2000. I assume cars can be bought using car loans that cost less interest than credit card loans.

2004 Budget

House Payment (PITI – at 2.75% interest only/2 years): $2,249

Auto Cost (monthly payment/lease/loan/fuel): $1,749

Dining: $700

Credit Card Payment:  $500

Total: $5,198

Monthly Net: $8,200

Disposable income: $3,002

I cannot quite grasp the wisdom of buying a house using an interest-only mortgage but I already find the numbers scary.

Buying a house without having any money to begin with is one thing. Not everyone has savings and nor should they be needed. But 25,000 credit card debt is quite a sum to deal with. But the 2.75% interest for the mortgage are just great. That was a good deal. I have never seen such deals.

The disposable income is approximately what I have after rent and food, taking into account that I am only one person. But for me this is after pension fund and health insurance payments (but before credit card payments which I always consider special rather than part of the pre-spending money budget).

After two years the interest rate rises to levels more familiar to me:

2006 Budget

House Payment (PITI – amortized fully over 28 years/full rate of 6.25%): $4,962

Auto Cost (monthly payment/lease/loan/fuel): $1,749

Dining: $700

Credit Card Payment: $500

Total: $7,911

Monthly Net: $8,200

Disposable income: $289

Ugh! 300 dollars for living, health insurance and pension fund payment. This is not good.

And finally, one of them loses his job and only finds a cheaper new job:

2007 Budget

House Payment (PITI – amortized fully over 28 years/full rate of 6.25%): $4,962

Auto Cost (monthly payment/lease/loan/fuel): $1,749

Dining: $700

Credit Card Payment: $500

Total: $7,911

Monthly Net: $5,804

Disposable income: $-2,107

So this is how a couple with a yearly income of US$ 130,000 can get into severe financial trouble.

However, while the numbers look sound, the whole thing strikes me as odd. How could this happen? Don't tell me it's just stupidity because one really doesn't need to be that smart to see this coming and the couple at 29 makes more money than I made in most of my 20s, so the market still thinks they are smarter than I.

As I said in another post, there are different ways to assign blame. I am a "moderate", perhaps, and tend to assign blame mostly to the individual but also at least partly to society.

Something is wrong in a society where nominally smart people buy a house when they owe 25,000 dollars on their credit cards. In fact something is wrong when people owe 25,000 dollars on their credit cards, full stop. (Perhaps those were costs for medical treatment. I don't know.)

Of course, in 2007, if all credit card payments were duly made, most of the credit card debt would be gone (they would owe about US$ 5000 which I accept as "manageable"). And we could argue about whether 350 dollars per month per person is too much spent on food, although saving 100 dollars per month is really not the issue here.

So what did go wrong?

I can see five major problems:

1. They ammassed 25,000 dollars of credit card debt. (Ignore as a mistake if this was for medical costs.)

2. They bought/leased two expensive cars. (One expensive car is enough. The wife is a real estate agent and I guess it's part of the job description. But the second car can be cheap.)

3. They decided to buy a house when still owing 25,000 dollars credit card debt. (This is a big one!)

4. They decided to buy a house with no savings and no mortgage security. (This is something one can risk if one had no special debt and at least  few thousand bucks lying around. It's still stupid but at least it gets you a home.)

5. They didn't take into account the risks of job losses. (This is especially serious since they were two people and already had limited this risk by being a couple. Instead of seeing the risk limited they chose to reintroduce it for no good reason by buying an expensive house.)

Can someone explain to me how these things happen?

I am not trying to make fun of anyone, just want to learn what awaits me since I am in a similar position as these two, financially and age-wise.

Differences are I don't have rolling credit card debt of 25,000 dollars and more disposable income after health insurance and pension fund payments. I seem to have done something right.

 


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on Jun 15, 2010

Just did a spot check on memory prices.  Yea, I guess the manufacturers have finally stopped the price hemorrhaging.  A bit pricier than a year ago, but considering they were dropping like stones before then, they are getting expensive.

In the next few days or weeks I'll add 2x4 GB of RAM and a 2 TB SATA drive.

 

on Jun 15, 2010

I can't actually save anything by eating at home. If it takes me an hour to prepare food I lose more money by not working that hour than I save by cooking myself.

It depends.  If you're going out for Pizza or Subway or some sort of takeout maybe.  But if you're sitting down at a restaurant it's going to take you longer, to drive there, sit down eat and wait for the waitress to not only wait on you but also give you your bill.  It's always much quicker for me to throw something together at home than it is to eat out.  I was just talking to my son about this last night.  He was driving home at 8 pm after working a 14 hour day.  He was tired and hungry and said he was going to have a frozen meal.  For him to stop at the restaurant (like he usually does) it would have taken him much longer than just go home, open a can of soup or cereal or eat a frozen meal.  I told him to spend $100 and stock his house with easy, quick things for meals.  Eggs, milk, cheese, deli, cereal, soups, bread, etc.  You can whip up an omelet in 10 minutes and have a toasted cheese sandwich with it in less time than it would take you to get to the restaurant. 

But one slam against most Americans is they are economically stupid.

that's pretty much it for the most part.  I remember when the housing market when south in the beginning of 08 and they were running all these sob shows on TV  on the poor people who were being thrown out of thier homes.  When they described the situation, I'm thinking "well no kidding, they should be thrown out."  I know the shows were aimed at taking down the bankers but it seemed as tho no responsibility was aimed at the buyers with eyes too big for their pocketbooks. 

I remember one case when they interviewed this young women who bought her first home.  She admitted she took out a monthly mortgage  that was more than she made in one month forget about utilities, etc.  She rationalized that she was going to get her sister to stay with her and help pay for the mortgage.  When that didn't work out, it didn't take long before she fell way behind not only in her mortgage but also in her other normal day to day bills that comes with owning a home. 

Just plain stupid. 

 

on Jun 15, 2010

I remember one case when they interviewed this young women who bought her first home.  She admitted she took out a monthly mortgage  that was more than she made in one month forget about utilities, etc.

Why would a bank even give her such a mortgage? Did they want to foreclose?

on Jun 15, 2010

I don't know Leauki.  Sure seems that way.  Not sure if she lied about her income or if she told them her brilliant idea about having her sister help her with the rent.  But the whole thing was very very stupid.  I couldn't believe it.  I think the whole thing was trying to show that it was the bank's fault.  She was a low income black woman with a job and I'm thinking that had something to do with it. 

on Jun 16, 2010

I don't know Leauki.  Sure seems that way.  Not sure if she lied about her income or if she told them her brilliant idea about having her sister help her with the rent.  But the whole thing was very very stupid.  I couldn't believe it.  I think the whole thing was trying to show that it was the bank's fault.  She was a low income black woman with a job and I'm thinking that had something to do with it.

Well, it was the bank's fault. And hers.

Other bank customers have a right to expect that the bank they owe rely on doesn't give mortgages to people who CANNOT afford them.

When I use a mortgage calculator for an Irish mortgage, it tells me that I can borrow only as much as costs about EUR 1,500 a month to repay (including interest). It would be impossible to get a mortgage that costs more than a fraction of one's income let alone more than one's entire income every month.

I just received word from a my friend in Berlin that my old flat is now empty and ready for the new owners. Selling a flat sure is expensive. So far I have transferred more than 2000 euros to Germany to pay for my time there when I signed everything, for people to pack and carry, for presents for my friend's family, for rent for a storage unit etc. all out of this month's budget (I don't have savings). Yes, I can afford this.

Now I am waiting for the mortgage to be payed off and erased so I can receive the (rest of) the money from the sale. Then I'll have savings. And from now on, without the mortgage in Germany, I can save a lot more of my income than before.

 

on Jun 16, 2010

Leauki


I remember one case when they interviewed this young women who bought her first home.  She admitted she took out a monthly mortgage  that was more than she made in one month forget about utilities, etc.



Why would a bank even give her such a mortgage? Did they want to foreclose?

One way it could happen is if she got a first and second (that appeared to be a common practice during the boom).  Then each loan would not have exceeded her monthly income, and would have slipped by.  Another way is if they "imputed" the rent she was going to get from her sister (a bad decision, but it happens as well).

on Jun 16, 2010

When I use a mortgage calculator for an Irish mortgage, it tells me that I can borrow only as much as costs about EUR 1,500 a month to repay (including interest). It would be impossible to get a mortgage that costs more than a fraction of one's income let alone more than one's entire income every month.

They do not have American liberals making laws either.  It was the Barney Frank laws that forced banks to make those stupid loans, or risk penalties.

on Jun 16, 2010

When I use a mortgage calculator for an Irish mortgage, it tells me that I can borrow only as much as costs about EUR 1,500 a month to repay (including interest). It would be impossible to get a mortgage that costs more than a fraction of one's income let alone more than one's entire income every month.

my husband tells others to use the 30% rule.  Your mortgage and taxes shouldn't exceed more than about 30% of your monthly income so if you make $4K a month your home shouldn't be much more than $1200 a month. 

on Jun 16, 2010

my husband tells others to use the 30% rule.  Your mortgage and taxes shouldn't exceed more than about 30% of your monthly income so if you make $4K a month your home shouldn't be much more than $1200 a month.

Hm... My taxes alone consume more than 30% of my income. I assume you mean taxes related to housing?

Otherwise, this sounds reasonable.

 

on Jun 16, 2010

yes, your RE taxes and your morgage should come out to about 30%. 

on Jun 16, 2010

Hm... My taxes alone consume more than 30% of my income. I assume you mean taxes related to housing?

Otherwise, this sounds reasonable.

Yea, the 30% figure would be tough on almost any of us, domestic or foreign! (My take out of pay taxes run about 33%)

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