AMEN! 

Leauki...be back tomorrow.  No time to respond to you tonight! 

Peace!

TPP,

Your post was perfectly fine and helped to clear up some of the confusion that arised here about the Clintons and my opinion of them.

And thank you for quoting this:

 ' If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget;
  let my tongue cleave to my palate, if I do not remember you, if I do not bring up Jerusalem above the head of my joy. '

If anything, I guess, one can fault me for being too fanatic about this commandment.

No problem. Always glad to hear from you.

I find it most interesting to learn about a Christianity in harmony with the Jewish people.

TPP, I second Leauki's sentiments, as you did manage to explain better than Leauki has his obsession with Hillary (I knew it was not sexual, he does have better taste than that).  So thanks for posting.  I still do not agree with him (or you) on her, but at least understand his support.

Quite Frankly, I still maintain that Hilary would sell Israel to bin Laden for a bagel and Lox.

I just commented on another thread. I think I found a general principle that explains people's positions regarding Israel.

Left and right have different principles. And then there is a third group, often known as "the extreme right" but their supporters can also be found on the extreme left. Let's call the three liberals, conservatives, and fascists. Fascists includes communists.

Conservatives believe that one should trust one's friends and distrust one's enemies.

This principle is best formulated as "Trust, but verify." which is the rule applied to enemies that look they they want to become friends.

Liberals believe that one should trust one's enemies and distrust one's friends.

This is the principle of solidarity which tells us that all humanity are brothers and that none are better than others. Hence we have to trust everyone but make sure that we do not trust some people more than others just because we like them.

Fascists simply believe that accusation is proof.

But while there is a clear divide between conservative and (right-wing) fascist (although the divide is becoming weaker at the moment), there is no clear divide between liberal and communist (left-wing fascist). Thus many liberals really fall between camps 2 and 3 these days.

There is no clear divide at all between right-wing fascism and communism.

Obama and Mrs Clinton clearly fall into camp 2.

George W. Bush was a clear camp 1.

So to summarise this:

A conservative is someone who trusts his friends and distrusts his enemies.

(The weakness is that he also distrusts people he only thinks are his enemies.)

A liberal is someone who trusts his enemies and distrusts his friends.

(The weakness is that he cannot be trusted by his friends.)

A fascist is someone for whom accusation is proof.

When I originally asked you Leauki about the latest news it was in reference to what I had read on "Israel Today's" news release last week.  They had sent out a couple of news articles saying that Netanyahu caved under Obama/Clinton pressure. 

In the article it said that Netanyahu agreed to a package of concessions and gestures toward the Obama Administration and the Palestinians in an effort to ease the tensions coming from the White House. 

This included:

1.  all core issues including control of Jerusalem will now be on the table in indirect US brokered peace talks with the Palestianians.

2.  Israel will significantly slow the pace of Jewish construction on the Eastern side of Jerusalem. 

3.  Israel will free hundreds of jailed Palestinian terrorists affiliated with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.

4.  Israel will ease its blockade on the Hamas ruled Gaza Strip and allow entry of building materials that Jerusalem had previously warned Hamas could make military use of. 

The Times of London reported that some of these concessions may have had to do with Obama's sudden diversion of a shipment of advanced bunker buster bombs to Israel.  According to the report, 387 of the bombs were on the way to Israel last week when the White House decided to send them to a holding facility instead. 

It was also reported that Netanyahu planned to press Obama to release the bomb shipment which could be crucial should Israel decide to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. 

speaking of that...what do you know about Daniel's prophecy of Israel's 70 weeks (Chap 9)?  It's called the 70 weeks of Daniel by most.  It most definitely includes Israel's final days right up to the end. 

dp

I guess I am all over the place.  I trust until betrayed.  Then you become my enemy.  But as for facists, I guess the liberals are.  They do not care for proof, only that "the seriousness of the accusations". 

Interesting breakdown.

Yes, that's a good point.

For a conservative serious accusations demand that the accuser be watched. For a liberal serious accusations demand that the accused be watched.

I would add that in my ladder system liberals have a tendency to become fascists, fascists have a tendency to become conservatives, and conservatives have a tendency to become liberals.

Of course in the Middle-East the ladder is the other way around: fascists become liberals become conservatives become fascists.

And in the Netherlands everything is confused.

In the netherlands, women become men who become women.

YUK!

I just want to clarify that I wouldn't vote for Hilary because she speaks from both sides of her mouth while tooting her own anus.  I agree with what you said Dr. Guy, but she gave continual lip service/attention to Israel.

I'm not sure what the Republicans were thinking when they nominated John Mccain.  They funny thing is that everyone was saying that if he got elected that we would get more of Bush a la Bush 3.  Obama has done a lot of things Bush like well except for the way he is treating Israel.

No, I don't feel Obama is the antichrist.  Most people from the States are very ethnocentric.  It doesn't suprise me that most Believers of Messiah Jesus from the United States feel that the antichrist will come from the West.

Actually that (AntiChrist) is just a metaphor (my belief and I am not going to debate it with others).  It is not a person, but traits of many people.  So he (or she) will come from all over the place. And has come (look at some of the clowns the world saw last century!)

It makes for some great stories (one of my favorites is The Stand), but that is about it.

FYI Doc (tuck this away somewhere) you may want to know another name for the AC is "the man of perdition"  Judas was called "the son of perdition."  So if you believe that the AC is a metaphor you may want to include Judas. 

Many Thanks KFC for not trying to drag me into a debate.  I will keep your statement in mind.  I am an obstinate old fool, but that does not mean I can't learn a trick or 2.