Yes, I referred to that with the link I gave in my reply to Audiafox.

I myself used to hang out in very anti-Israel neighbourhoods. (Accommodation and food is cheaper.) But I have run into enough Jerusalem Arab taxi drivers to know the truth.

But the "international community" is not asking their opinion. The "international community" has decided that Arabs are not capable of living in peace with Jews and that this is the Jews' fault. Hence we must give money and holy sites to terrorist groups.

They don't speak up because they don't have to and because it can't do them any good.

Those that do speak up are not listened to. The "international community" does not care about their opinion. The rest see that and know that Israel will defend her position without their input anyway.

If the world were not so convinced that the terrorists must have control over the "Palestinians", it would be a lot easier to find out what they actually want.

But the last thing the "international community" want is for Palestinian Arabs to tell them that they don't hate Jews and Israel nearly as much as the "international community" do.

the Arabs are not going to be happy until the Jews are gone.  I'm sure the rest of the world isn't too far behind that sentiment either. 

Well one thing's for sure.  It's Israel front and center in the news almost all the time.  Not Russia.  Not Japan.  Not China.  Israel. Oh sure, some get their 15 minutes of fame every once in a while but then it's always back to Israel.  It's been like this pretty much since 1948. 

 Everyone wants a piece of Israel.  It's the hottest piece of Real Estate in the whole world.  It's also what I consider to be the center of the earth and the apple of God's eye.  Jerusalem is His city.  It's not the Jews nor the Arabs.  It's God's.  Somehow people seem to forget that. 

It is the knowledge that if somebody is close to killing all Jews the rest of the world cannot be trusted on to do anything. And this is why Israel will never let it happen again.

Yes.

And there are many people who claim that it is Jewish arrogance when Jews say that they are the "chosen people" when at the same time they and the rest of the world keep singling out the Jews for that unfortunate fame.

Jerusalem was always G-d's city. But Israel was not such hot real estate just a short time ago. When the JNF started buying the land, it wasn't very expensive and not many people lived there. It was a forgotten piece of desert that not many people cared about. I have seen pictures of the mosque on the Temple Mount from the 19th century. Grass grew through the footpaths and plaza and nobody seemed to be very interested in cleaning the place.

It was the economic upturn brought on by the Jewish immigrants that made the land again. Neither Muslims nor Christians cared much about Jerusalem until it became the centre of the world again when just three years after the Shoah the Arabs tried to kill all the Jews again.

You can say a lot of good things about Hillary, but that is not one of them.  Sheis the consumate politician who only believes what will get her the next promotion.  In that she is a good mouthpiece for Obama.

When confronted with bigotry and ignorance, the solution is not to excuse if because of a lack of exposure to the truth, but to educate.  You are excusing it because of a lack of exposure to the reality of the insidious nature of her prejudice.  That is your right, but is wrong.  It only promotes that point of view.

If I only accepted perfection I would have very few politicians I could even vote for.

But if someone comes from a background like Hillary's and manages to get as far as she (and I am talking about learning to be tolerant here), I respect that.

Hillary does not excuse bigotry, she really honestly believes that segregation is not wrong if the victims are Jews. She is the result of a society that a few decades ago didn't believe that discrimination against blacks was bigotry and has worked her way up to at least defending Jews even if she still believes that discriminating against them is not wrong per se.

Liberals speak of kumbayah and all that stuff but when it comes right down to it they don't believe in co-existence and promote segregation. It is evil Zionist racists like me who believe that Jews and Arabs living in the same street will eventually create peace. THIS is what liberals mean when they speak of "bigotry".

Dr.Guy,

Post 19 is right on. Even before Obama, Hillary though has been consistent about speaking up for a Palestinian state.  

leauki posts:

Here we go again.....the victimhood of Jews.  Nowadays, that's a hard sell.

Nobody doubted that.

Heck, Israel has been consistent about speaking up for a "Palestinian" state ever since her declaration of independence in 1948.

The problem has always been that the "Palestinians" refuse to found their state, not that Israel won't let them.

It's the "throw the Jews into the sea" that's the problem, not the Jews' inability to let other people live. Heck, most Arab states are Jew-free and they still have problems.

It always has been.

Are you in favour of segregation?

Anyway, how's the house you stole? (Or is it "buy" when you are not Jewish? I remember you were very adamant about Jews having "stolen" the land they bought or took in wars. I assume I am totally wrong here about you and your house isn't build on land the US took from some Indian tribe, no?)

You can tell when a group of people are being discriminated against. It's when those who do it find it difficult to believe that it is happening.

Of some things, yes, of course. I think it's wise to segregate girls from boys in college dormitories, in public restrooms, criminals from the general public, etc.  

But in the case of your original article question, I answered #1.

Why frame what Natanyahu's government did/is planning to do in terms of segregation? Building 600 houses and including the Tomb of the Patriarchs and Rachels Tomb, both in the West Bank, on the national heritage list of Isreal is either morally right or wrong. After all, Almighty God gave Moses the Ten Commandments for Jews to follow and observe. 

I'm not going to indulge you here in this specious argument other than to say we would not have been able to buy the house on the land had not both have a clear title.

Perhaps we should define "discrimination".  I'll remind you there is just discrimination and unjust discrimination.

Which is why I was surprised when I read the rest of your comment.

I am not framing what Netanyahu does in terms of segregation. I am framing the demand that Jews must not build or buy houses in East-Jerusalem as segregation.

Netanyahu's government simply builds houses like any government should. And if those houses weren't for Jews the world wouldn't care about it either.

What's morally wrong about including two ancient artifacts of the Jewish people on the national heritage list of the state of Israel?

Wouldn't any nation do that sort of thing? Why is it wrong when Jews do it?

(And G-d gave Moses 613 commandments. If I remember correctly at least four of them demand that the people of Israel live in the land of Israel and two require control of Jerusalem.)

Yes, that was my point.

You consider the title valid because the country that took the land and granted the title was not Israel.

And the Indians did _not_ attack you. Your country just took their land when there was no need to fight a war to defend yourself. If you were as consistent as you are convinced that you are right, you wouldn't live in that house.

I have no doubt that you think that.

You do not have to be perfect to at least try to be non-racist.  Sorry, I know politicians are not saints, but I do not excuse, condone or accept them if they are going to play the bigot card.  While many do, most do not.

Someone once accused me of liking palin because she is hot.  Well, we can eliminate that reason for your liking Hilary.  Perhaps it is her victimhood that sways you.  Perhaps her Wellsley upbringing, or the blue dress.  Whatever it is, clearly you give her a lot more leeway than you do anyone else, including some arabs that just talk stupid, but at least do not act upon it.

Hillary is the worst excuse for a SOS in modern memory.  But her only redeeming quality is that she is not president.

Amen!  I've been wondering what Leauki sees in Hillary.  She is NO fan of Israel which puzzles me that Leauki would be defending her so. 

There's not one thing I can think of that I like about Hillary.  Even Obama, to me, seems like he might be a nice guy to hang out with.  I can't say that about her. 

Leauki,

On a completely different subject ....

Regarding your comment on another blog in which you asked me to disprove your thesis...

I did. However that was deleted....and subsequently I posted a comment notifying you that I had responded, that too was deleted.

If you care to read it, you'll find my response in https://forums.joeuser.com/378323   entitled Deleting: As a Silencing Tool.

It seems to me that your comments disappear far more often than those of the average user.

No offense intended, but it really seems silly to me when you to post about how your comments were deleted.  If people don't want to listen, that's their prerogative, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are/were right.

The fact that you use this argument to act like you logically trumped someone (and always conveniently elsewhere) is very manipulative.  Are you trying to gain popular support for your position by looking like the poor, suppressed speaker of the truth?  If Leauki really did delete your posts, doesn't he already know it?  What reason would you have to tell him something he already knows?

The only thing I can think of is that you want to appear like you were right - but really it just comes off more like pride.

It is not me she is talking about. I am not the "Protestant" she refers to in her article on deletions.

(I am not a Protestant.)