A Leauki's Writings

I am often told that there is anti-Semitism. In fact I have seen it. Almost everyone tells me that anti-Semitism is a bad thing and must be fought. In fact that point is often brought up by the same people who tell me something else as well.

They tell me that the "Palestinian Cause" is a noble cause and not related to anti-Semitism in any way; that the leaders of the Palestinian Cause and the Palestinian people have to be supported and that their fight is necessary and noble. And anyway, Israel has no reason to fight them and is the cause for the war. "We are all Hamas."

So I took the liberty of selecting a few quotes by respected leaders of the Palestinian Cause, by people celebrated by Palestinians and other Arabs today. I am here showing these quotes mixed with a few quotes by Nazis so as to present the stark difference between the evil ideology of anti-Semitism and the noble Palestinian Cause.

Of course those same people have also said other things. But Hitler also spoke about art and managed to get a few words out without sounding like a racist. So I carefully selected only those quotes that were representative of what I think could easily be mistaken for anti-Semitism.

One might argue that Zionists also make anti-Arab statements that make Zionism appear racist. But the question is whether most Jews or Israelis (or any supporters of Zionism) really consider those Zionists representative of the Zionist movement or the Jewish nation. The Arabs among the quotes were and remain respected leaders of the Palestinian Cause and are among the people I am told are our "partners" in the peace talks.

If you find a racist quote by a Zionist, I'll tell you what I think of that Zionist and I guarantee you that such a person would not have the support of a majority of Israelis or Jews.

 

And here we go: the quotes. Can you even tell who is a Nazi and who is a supporter of the noble Palestinian cause or what that cause is? Remember that we are told that the "Palestinian cause" is not about killing Jews or the destruction of Israel. And remember that the Arabs quoted are considered heroes of the Palestinian cause by Hamas and the PLO. They ARE representative of the Palestinian cause. THEY are the people you demonstrate for when you condemn Israel for fighting them.

"We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand, we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood"

"The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel."

“All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel”

“The Zionist barrack in Palestine is about to collapse and be destroyed. Every one of the hundred million Arabs has been living for the past nineteen years on one hope – to live to see the day Israel is liquidated…There is no life, no peace nor hope for the gangs of Zionism to remain in the occupied land.”

“As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel….The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence”.

“Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse any aggression, but to initiate the act ourselves, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland of Palestine. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united. I believe that the time has come to begin a battle of anihilation.”

"We want a full scale, popular war of liberation… to destroy the Zionist enemy"

“We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948.”

“The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map”

“Those [Israelis] who survive will remain in Palestine. I estimate that none of them will survive.”

"Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy."

"To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry. It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers. In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory."

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."



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on Oct 27, 2009



Lula FYI I just spelled the whole thing out on my blogsite because it's quite lengthy to put here explaining the whole thing in detail to show you how you don't have a grasp of the situation like you think you do.  Maybe...I'm not holding my breath...but just maybe you'll see it if put down in black and white from another source other than your RCC books.

Go here:  http://kfc.joeuser.com/article/367616/Israels_Land_People_Linked_Forever



Good article!

But on a more practical level I am surprised how many people plainly do not accept that the Jewish people have to live somewhere.

It's always about the poor Arab refugees (who get more aid from the UN and western countries than any other "poor" refugees in the world). It's never about where the Jews SHOULD live, if not in "Palestine".

It's like Amos Oz said:

Out there, in the world, all the walls were covered with graffiti: Yids, go back to Palestine, so we came back to Palestine, and now the worldatlarge shouts at us: Yids, get out of Palestine.

Apparently Jews can never do the right thing. At least not if it is up to people like Lula to judge.

I wrote before about the Iraqi magazine that advocates that Jewish refugees should be allowed to return to Iraq so that Israel doesn't need more land for "settlers". But apart from that one call and Morocco's earlier call, no Arab country ever worried about the Jewish refugees. And neither Iraq nor Morocco can really guarantee the safety of any Jews anyway.

But all of this misses the point.

Israel has never fought a war unless she was attacked.

If the fact that Israel survived several wars meant to destroy the country is a moral dilemma for some people, those people ought to get some morals. And if it interferes with your religion that the Jews survived, get a new god!

on Oct 27, 2009


We call upon Christians in churches on every continent to pray for the Palestinian and Isreali people, both of whom are sufferieng as victims of occupation and militarism. These discrimitative actions are turning Palestine into impoverished ghettos surrounded by exclusinve Isreali settlements. The establishment of the illegal settlements and the construction of the separation wall on confiscated Palestinian land undermine the vialibility of a Palestinian state as well as peace and security in the entire region.

You are praying for anti-Semitism. G-d probably won't listen.

The "Palestinian" "ghettos" have a higher standard of living than Egypt.

"Settlements" are NOT illegal just because Jews live in them.

And the border fence has done more for peace than any of your prayers. You can actually see the numbers of attacks drop since the barrier stood.

As long as people like you refer to Jewish villages as "settlements" or make any distinction whatsoever because someone is Jewish, there will be a conflict. It's not between Arabs and Jews, it's between people like you and modern man.

 

on Oct 27, 2009

to live somewhere.

So why don't they live in Europe, Britain, and America?

We have tried Europe. That didn't work too well.

America and the British Empire worked out well, but it only solves half the problem.

What do we do with middle-eastern Jews?

There are a few good options:

1. We leave them in their Arab home countries, ruled by an Arab majority (or in the case of Morocco, an Arab minority). We plainly assume that the same governments who murder Africans and gas Kurds will not touch Jews.

2. We deport them to America. While the world cries bloody murder when a "Palestinian" has to live 100 miles from his place of birth where people speak the same language and eat the same food, nobody would have  a problem with moving a few million Jews into a completely foreign country.

3. We create a country for them where they can be a majority and live in peace with Arab citizens of the same country. This was tried and didn't work because the Arab citizens and the other Arab countries did not want to live in peace.

4. We create a country for them where they fight back when attacked. This works.

So let's do number 4!

 

on Oct 27, 2009

Re: the highlighted...you are not being objective...Your sentiments and interpretation of Scripture are through your Rapturist/Milleniallist/Christian Zionist prism.

again...with the attacks Lula.  I've never ever labeled myself as you have labeled me here.  I believe in the Rapure, yes, but it's not my whole belief system.  I believe in the future Millennium  as scripture predicts but again, it's only part and parcel of what I believe in.  I'm not a "Zionist" and I've told you that.  Again, you choose to attack because it's your MO. 

I saw this quote this week and thought it worthy of thought: 

"A RELIGIOUS Spirit is one who uses MY WORD to execute his own will." 

"A WORSHIPFUL Spirit is one who uses MY WORD to execute God's own will." 

We should be asking ourselves on a daily basis, is this MY WILL or GOD'S WILL? 

on Oct 27, 2009

again...with the attacks Lula.  I've never ever labeled myself as you have labeled me here.  I believe in the Rapure, yes, but it's not my whole belief system.  I believe in the future Millennium  as scripture predicts but again, it's only part and parcel of what I believe in.  I'm not a "Zionist" and I've told you that.  Again, you choose to attack because it's your MO. 

Zionism is a Jewish movement.

KFC is neither a Jew, nor is she moving.

I think it is safe to say that KFC is not a Zionist.

She is, however, a Christian supporter of Zionism, if I may say so. Part of it is belief in Biblical prophecy. Part of it is the belief, independent of but helped by Christianity, that even Jews should be allowed to live. And part of it is probably pragmatism: Jerusalem is her holy city too, and when the Christian holy sites are under Jewish rule, they are safe and can be visited.

(Just imagine the difficulties if Mecca were the holy city of Christianity!)

There are Muslim supporters of Zionism as well. Their thinking is similar to KFC's. They also believe in prophecy, this time Qur'anic prophecy, which also says that the land of Israel was given by G-d to the children of Israel. They are also philo-Semitic. And many are pragmatic as well, simply preferring secular governments because it makes faith possible. (When a government forces you to believe in a god, how can you really believe in that god?)

There are arguably some Muslim Zionists (as opposed to Muslim supporters of Zionism). Those would be the Bedouins and Druze who allied with the Jews and built the state of Israel. They are too often forgotten, even in Israel.

 

I saw this quote this week and thought it worthy of thought: 

"A RELIGIOUS Spirit is one who uses MY WORD to execute his own will." 

"A WORSHIPFUL Spirit is one who uses MY WORD to execute God's own will." 

We should be asking ourselves on a daily basis, is this MY WILL or GOD'S WILL?

That is a truly excellent quote!

 

on Oct 28, 2009

The Statement, "The Jerusalem Declaration of Christian Zionism", declares:

"Christian Zionism is a modern theological and political movement that embraces the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism, thereby becoming detrimental to a just peace within Palestine and Isreal. The Christian Zionist program provides a world view where the Gospel is identified with the ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it places emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than living Christ's love and justice today.

Re: the highlighted...you are not being objective...Your sentiments and interpretation of Scripture are through your Rapturist/Milleniallist/Christian Zionist prism.

I've never ever labeled myself as you have labeled me here. I believe in the Rapure, yes, but it's not my whole belief system. I believe in the future Millennium as scripture predicts but again, it's only part and parcel of what I believe in. I'm not a "Zionist" and I've told you that.

The discussion isn't about you or what you call yourself...it's about what you claim and what you claim sure fits the description above of Christian Zionism.  



She is, however, a Christian supporter of Zionism, if I may say so.

No kidding! Her comments, articles and fanatical interpretation of events is common amongst Christian Zionists, self authorized spokes persons for God. 

 

Part of it is belief in Biblical prophecy.

More correctly...part of it is belief in Rapturist/Mileinialist/Christian Zionist interpretaton of Biblical prophecy.

 Again, that God still owes the Jewish people land and protection is Christian Zionist eschatology that Darby developed and was perpetuated by the Scofield Reference bible. 

on Oct 28, 2009

Zionism is a Jewish movement.

 

Haha, so...Zionist positions?

on Oct 28, 2009

And part of it is probably pragmatism: Jerusalem is her holy city too, and when the Christian holy sites are under Jewish rule, they are safe and can be visited.

Interestiang that you brought this up....

You are talking about Christians in the Mideast...why should Christian holy sites be under "Jewish rule"? or behind their big barrier fence?

Jewish Zionism in the end is about power and control of what....everthing and everyone it can "rule"?

A few years ago, 2006, Cardinal McCarrick, archbishop of Washington DC was concerned about the condition of the West Bank Christians..from the village of Aboud...a community of Palestianian Christians whose roots go back to the days of Christ who according to local traditions the residents received the Faith from Jesus Himself.

Anyway, the village is threatened by the construction of Isreal's "security" barriers...the big fence. The late Robert Novak, an AMerican syndicated journalist wrote, "Following previous security security barrier construction that effectively expelled  villagers from olive groves, Isreal in Oct. 2005, ordered new land confiscation to extend the barrier. Aboud's 2,300 residents about half Christian and half Muslim are being deprived of their water supply by the new construction."

The Holy Land Christian Society was formed to make the case for Palestinian Christians...they said, " It is clear that the security barrier is not about security but the annexation of land for the expansion of the settlements on the West bank and Isreali control over the water supply." The Isreali settlements of beit Arye and Ofarim were constructed on land previously taken from residents of Aboud.

Novak also wrote another story about the late Congressman Henry Hyde...turns out he sent a letter to Colin Powell..a plea to deflect Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's wall around the Holy Land from it's planned position blcoking the Scriptural pathway of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The 8 meter high concrete wall completely enclosed the last passage from Bethany to the Mount of Olives restricitng the pilgrim's procession . The wall also split a convent and school of the Sisters of Emmanuel monastery.

The Vatican, clergy and laity inspected the deplorable conditions in the Holy Land, and found the attitude of the Isreali military and bureacracy from uncooperative to hostile. The Vatican charged that Isreal violated the 1993 agreement between Rome and Isreal guaranteeing the West bank land owned by the Chruch.

Novak wrote, "the wall does nothing but manifest Sharon's policy of blood and iron, with severe collateral damage. While soldiers from the Isreali Defense Force overrun Catholic Chruch properties, the US taxpayer is paying for much of the $8 BILLION wall. The Christian pilgrim is stopped at IDF checkpoints.

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Oct 28, 2009

You are talking about Christians in the Mideast...why should Christian holy sites be under "Jewish rule"?

Because Jews live there?

Because it was the holy city of Judaism first?

Because Jews allow Christians to go and pray there whereas Christians, when they controlled the city, did not extent the same privilege to Jews?

Because Jews control it now?

There are so many reasons.

But the number one reason for me personally is that I am sick and tired of people demanding that Jews give up theor holy city to foreign control just because of the weird belief that Jews shouldn't rule or live in their own capital.

You are free to worship my god, but you are NOT free to redefine my people or my religion, thank you very much.

 

or behind their big barrier fence?

Blame Israel for the barrier that was built because of Arab terrorists. How righteous of you.

You probably believe that Jews are so evil, they ENJOY spending lots of money to build a barrier for no reason other than the evil in their hearts.

Read this about who should control Jerusalem: https://forums.joeuser.com/367718

In short: Why not ask the people who live there?

Trust me, the last thing people there, Jews and Arabs, want is Roman control of Jerusalem!

 

 

 

on Oct 28, 2009

More correctly...part of it is belief in Rapturist/Mileinialist/Christian Zionist interpretaton of Biblical prophecy.

Again, that God still owes the Jewish people land and protection is Christian Zionist eschatology that Darby developed and was perpetuated by the Scofield Reference bible.

as Ronald Reagan used to say..."there you go again."  How many times are you going to repeat the same accusation?  How many times do I have to refute this accusation before I start to think myself a fruit loop for doing so? 

I don't even have a Scofield Bible.  I've already told you that I don't buy Darby's pre-trib rapture theory ...and glad to see you didn't perpetuate your belief here again that there is such a thing as Protestant oral tradition because had you done so, you would have no answer for the fact that I don't have the Scofield Bible nor do I agree with Darby. 

I showed you using my old KJV bible what God said about the land and the people but you just refuse to open your eyes for fear you might learn something.  You refuse to listen because the books you are adhering to are man centered not God centered and going against them would be a shock to your whole foundation of faith.  Changes would have to be made and you really are not ready for that step because you are quite comfortable where you are.   What you accuse me of doing is what you are doing. 

Actually I can take you to writers and commentators well before Darby was even born (like Matthew Henry) who spoke of Israel coming into their own land in the latter days.  So now what?   Are you still going to hang onto Darby as your scapegoat even after I tell you this? 

 

on Oct 28, 2009

You probably believe that Jews are so evil, they ENJOY spending lots of money to build a barrier for no reason other than the evil in their hearts.

 

Well you lump the Palestinian people in with the PLO and Hamas, why not lump them together, right?   

on Oct 28, 2009

Well you lump the Palestinian people in with the PLO and Hamas, why not lump them together, right?

I never said that I even believe that there is a "Palestinian people". I find the concept of a "Palestinian people" racist. It's like an "American people" that excludes blacks. If you name a people after a location but exclude a certain ethnic group, you are engaged in racism. I try to avoid that.

Anyway, I never lumped them together. I do differentiate between the 80% who vote for war (PLO and Hamas) and those who don't. (And I appreciate the possibility that maybe those 80% vote for the PLO and Hamas out of fear.)

That's not the same as assuming that anybody builds an expensive border fence just for fun and no valid reason.

The "Palestinians" actually do vote for war and terrorism. Whether they do so out of evil or whether they are afraid of what the terrorists do to them if they don't makes a difference but it is nevertheless true that they do vote for war.

But it is NOT true to claim that Israel built a border wall to oppress the "Palestinian people", when there is enough evidence that the wall actually protects innocent people from terrorism and when plain common sense should tell you that nobody would build an expensive border wall just to "oppress" someone when that oppression does not actually pay that well.

Your anti-Semitism is annoying, "Alderic", but what's even worse is that you keep assuming that everybody else thinks along the same prejudiced lines as you do.

And I certainly don't appreciate it when you lie about what I said.

 

on Oct 28, 2009

I never said that I even believe that there is a "Palestinian people". I find the concept of a "Palestinian people" racist. It's like an "American people" that excludes blacks. If you name a people after a location but exclude a certain ethnic group, you are engaged in racism. I try to avoid that.

 

Um, racism isn't about ethnicity or culture (specifically) - it's about race, so setting that and the fact of  the lack of a real biological basis for race...there can be a palestinian people, for your information. In fact, they would fall under an ethnic group. Just as you have the Jewish people, americans, etc. 

It's a misconception to think of them as merely just Arabs. That's like saying that Sunni's and Shiites are simply Moslims. It ignores the differences and the uniqueness of the culture that has been fostered in that area. Yeah, they may qualify as Arabs, because they speak the language, but they're still their own group/people, etc. You can have sub cultures, so to speak, within larger ones (or larger ethnic groups).

 

 

Anyway, I never lumped them together. I do differentiate between the 80% who vote for war (PLO and Hamas) and those who don't. (And I appreciate the possibility that maybe those 80% vote for the PLO and Hamas out of fear.)

Well honestly, you have not shown it to me. Your comments continuously have shown to me that you lump them together. Perhaps you need to reconsider how you word things? In fact, a bit ironically, I've suggested the possibility to you, that there are those palestinians who are merely trying to live. You've, to my memory, never acknowledged that. I could be wrong though. 

 

The "Palestinians" actually do vote for war and terrorism. Whether they do so out of evil or whether they are afraid of what the terrorists do to them if they don't makes a difference but it is nevertheless true that they do vote for war.

 

Likewise, those Israelies who vote for, support, or agree with the actions are promoting what many consider overreacting, restraint and velvet gloves or not. Like it or not, the same logic you're applying can be applied to Israeli's. 

 

But it is NOT true to claim that Israel built a border wall to oppress the "Palestinian people", when there is enough evidence that the wall actually protects innocent people from terrorism and when plain common sense should tell you that nobody would build an expensive border wall just to "oppress" someone when that oppression does not actually pay that well.

 

Whether or not they did that, I don't know. I highly doubt that you have such priviliged insight into their minds, tactics, etc. 

On the matter of oppression: Right, and Hitler built his camps cause he wanted to be random. Pol Pot merely did his thing for shits and giggles. Mao just had bad days. 

 

 

 

Sarcasm aside...whether or not people are protected isn't an issue to me, I'm positive that they are taken care of. Israeli does tend to hve an advantage with their military. What is an issue to me is how they implement this. Like, when they build these walls near houses, remove refugee places (and dont even say no, there are countless reports that say contrary. What, the press is out to get them? Puh-lease, that's egocentric and border line meglomanic). Sorry, but my ethical and moral standards just cannot allow me to support people who, in the claimed defense of their people, hurt others who have no say in what their gov't does. 

 

Your anti-Semitism is annoying, "Alderic", but what's even worse is that you keep assuming that everybody else thinks along the same prejudiced lines as you do.

 

Likewise, your throwing around the label whenever someone doesn't agree with Israeli's policies is fucking bullshit. You're wearing down the true meaning behind it, and that's unfortunate. 

Haha, you're funny. You speak of prejudice like you think you're any better? Dude, get a grip, you're just as biased and prejudiced as I am, if not more so. 

 

And I certainly don't appreciate it when you lie about what I said.

Where did I lie about what you said? If you're not seeing what you're doing, then that's not my fault. Maybe you need to go back and look your choice of words.

 

 

But you know, whatever right? This is merely a fucking online forum, not real life. Fantasies, ignorance, and wet dreams prevail where intelligence, critical thinking and open mindedness do not. That's unfortunate. 

 

 

 

on Oct 28, 2009

Um, racism isn't about ethnicity or culture (specifically) - it's about race, so setting that and the fact of  the lack of a real biological basis for race...there can be a palestinian people, for your information. In fact, they would fall under an ethnic group. Just as you have the Jewish people, americans, etc. 

It's a misconception to think of them as merely just Arabs. That's like saying that Sunni's and Shiites are simply Moslims. It ignores the differences and the uniqueness of the culture that has been fostered in that area. Yeah, they may qualify as Arabs, because they speak the language, but they're still their own group/people, etc. You can have sub cultures, so to speak, within larger ones (or larger ethnic groups).

 

I'm going to rephrase/flesh this out. 

 

Palestinians ARE indeed, for the most part, primarily Arabs. That being said, they are a sub group of the Arab ethnic group. As such, within that group lie Palestinians, who while some may be Arab (some may not), not all are. The palestinians do, like most sub groups, share common characteristics and tradition and so on, with the...parent group, for lack of a different term. 

It's like saying that there's no such thing as a Sunni or Shiite people, that they're just Muslims. That ignorantly forgets to acknowledge the unique differences that define Sunni and Shiite islam from it's parent, and from each other. 

The same could be said for the multitude of various different groups of Jewish people. They may all be one group/people, but then you have the sub groups, sub cultures, and so on so forth. 

I could go on with examples of sub groups that are people unto themselves, since they cannot exclusively be called their parent group. 

~AJ

 

on Oct 29, 2009

Likewise, those Israelies who vote for, support, or agree with the actions are promoting what many consider overreacting, restraint and velvet gloves or not. Like it or not, the same logic you're applying can be applied to Israeli's.

There is no Israeli party that advocates war and there is no Israeli majority (or even large minority) who would vote for such a party.

There simply isn't an Israeli or Jewish equivalent to Fatah or Hamas and no Jewish secular or religious leader has ever called for the extermination of another nation or even the murder of individuals and managed to gain any public support for such policies.

You are trying to apply moral relativism by claiming that a Jewish party that doesn't advocate racism and murder is morally the same as an Arab party that does. It's not.

 

Palestinians ARE indeed, for the most part, primarily Arabs. That being said, they are a sub group of the Arab ethnic group. As such, within that group lie Palestinians, who while some may be Arab (some may not), not all are. The palestinians do, like most sub groups, share common characteristics and tradition and so on, with the...parent group, for lack of a different term.

"Palestinians" (exclusively Arab such) did not exist until the 1960s. The region you call "Palestine" was made up of the Ottoman provinces of Jerusalem and Beirut.

The British called it "Palestine" after the Roman province because "Palestine" was the Latin name for the land called "Canaan" or "Eretz Yisrael" in Semitic languages. ("Canaan" literally means "lowland".) During that time anyone living there was a "Palestinian", Jewish or otherwise.

Today's "Palestinians" do share common characteristics and traditions but those traditions are only a few decades old. The inhabitants of "Palestine" under Ottoman rule, Jewish, Arab, Armenian and so on also shared common characteristics and traditions, but none of these were Arab-only characteristics and traditions.

"Palestinians" are not a "subgroup" of Arabs, "Palestinians" are inhabitants of "Palestine".

What makes matters worse is that the word "Palestine", which derives from the Hebrew/Phoenician for "invader" originally referred to Greek invaders living around Gaza 3000 years ago. The Romans renamed Judaea and Samaria "Palestine" ("invaderland") to insult the Jews. And oddly enough those who want to insult Jews or Israel still use the name.

If you read texts from the 19th century you will find that the word "Palestinian" was then used in Europe to refer to Jews living in Europe. The word has travelled with anti-Semitism for 2000 years. It is no coincidence that it was picked up by racist Arab nationalists and that Bedouins and Druze in Israel rarely associate themselves with the term.

Political correctness protects everyone but the Jews and hence calling the land "Palestine" has become an accepted way of insulting Jews.

The same could be said for the multitude of various different groups of Jewish people. They may all be one group/people, but then you have the sub groups, sub cultures, and so on so forth.

Yes, and so there are German Jews and French Jews and Spanish Jews.

Just like there are "Palestinian" Jews and "Palestinian" Arabs.

But if you now tell me that since a majority of "Palestinians" (people living in "Palestine") were at some point in history Arabs, Palestinians are now an exclusive Arab (sub-)group, you are advocating a racist principle.

In the 1930s the vast majority of Germans were non-Jewish. And then Hitler decided that ONLY non-Jewish Germans were "Germans". You are making the same statement about "Palestinians". I don't buy it.

In 1900 the vast majority of Americans (people living in North-America) where white, descendants of European invaders of, by then, a long time ago. But that doesn't mean that Indians or the descendants of black slaves were not Americans as well, even though white nationalists would support the idea that they aren't.

The borders Britain created in its mandate were completely artificial. There is no cultural, religious, or linguistic basis for claiming that Arabs (and only Arabs) living in exactly the western part of the mandate of "Palestine" were a specific sub-group named "Palestinians".

By calling the land with a name the Romans invented to insult Jews, you are insulting Jews. I realise you have no problem with it. Neither had the British or the Arab nationalists who made us of the term.

But can I at least ask you not to use racist metrics in determining what a "Palestinian" is?

I linked before to this excellent article that explains what "Palestinians" are:

http://nizos.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-zionism-arabs-and-democracy.html

It's written by a second-generation "refugee". If you are looking for a "Palestinian people", a "sub-group" of Arabs, look here:

To go back to the Palestinians, what you call Palestinians today were Levantines who were living under the Ottoman boot. Their Palestinian identity as it is known today crystallised in the refugee camps in the 1960's.

He also wrote an article about Turkish words once in common use in "Palestine" but which Arab nationalism has replaced with Arab words. (Turkey itself underwent a similar nationalist purge to "clean up" the Turkish language, as did Israel with the Hebrew language which was similarly Hebraized.)

 

But you know, whatever right? This is merely a fucking online forum, not real life. Fantasies, ignorance, and wet dreams prevail where intelligence, critical thinking and open mindedness do not. That's unfortunate.

No, Alderic, you don't get. While this is not real life, the place outside where people who believe the crap you and others are propagating walk around is quite real. And when I walk through the streets I dare not show that I have any connections with Israel or even Judaism in many places because there are people out there in real life, MANY people, who believe what they read on the Web and in the news and who I do not want to engage in real life.

For YOU this is just an online forum where you can make claims about Israel as you like.

But for Jews and Israelis this is the place where people like you tell stories that add to other people's real life hatred of Jews and Israel.

You have to realise that people BELIEVE the crap you and others write and that many of those who believe it are not as laid-back and friendly as you are. (And frankly, if I found that my beliefs were shared by people who blow up schools I would change them.)

The entire story about a "Palestinian people" hasn't helped a single Arab living in Canaan, but it did help to prolong an unecessary war by adding fake legitimacy to the idea that Jews have no right to live in a "country" known as "Palestine" which is purely and exclusive Arab. What's so great about that?

 

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