No you may not.

But I am simply sick of hearing about it. A pox on both your houses means precisely that. You kill them or they kill you, frankly I no longer care which way you work it out, but you're deluded if you think living in peace is an option. Everything you do makes them hate you more and vice versa.

Sorry about that. Why did you come to read an article I wrote about it?

 

I know. You are probably right. For some reason it works in America, but nowhere else.

 

That is wrong.

Hatred is irrational, it is not caused by real events. When you read terrorist propaganda, you will notce that the reasons they give for hating Jews (to potential recruits) is nothing that really happened. They tell their western supporters about Jews attacking Arabs, of course (and they don't mention under what circumstances, for example the sentence "they attacked Gaza" is rarely preceded by "after we fired rockets at them for three years"), but what they tell recruits always belongs into one of these three categories:

1. Fantasies about the middle east, including stories that Tel Aviv (founded in 1909 on desert land bought from Bedouins) was once a "Palestinian" city named "Tel Raba" and has to be taken back from the Jews who stole it (and, presumably, from the Bedouins who owned the land and also live there).

2. Stories about Jews causing tsunamis and other bad things. This is where Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and the Russian "Protocols" come in as bestsellers in the Arab world.

3. Stories about G-d condemning Jews and allowing anyone who murders a Jew to go to heaven.

Those three are the "arguments" the terrorists have against the Jews. Can you tell me which of those have anything to do with what Jews actually did?

Or perhaps that is your point. They really do hate Jews for EVERYTHING they do, or rather ANYTHING.

In that case there will never be peace.

But I am now betting on the other non-Arab peoples. The Internet gave them a voice. Once the world remembers them and the "Arab League" is replaced by countries that respect the non-Arab peoples living in their borders, the conflict between Israel and the terrorists will become a minor issue.

I am convinced (and have seen evidence) that the Kurds, the Assyrians, the Nilo-Saharan peoples (Massalith, Fur, Nubians, Dinka etc.), and the Imazighen (Berbers) are perfectly willing to live in peace with Jews and each other. It's the Arabs we have to convince, and once they lose their power and the world's recognition of their empire, they might see their own insignificance and join the other peoples.

 

Because I presumed that you wrote an article with the intention of eliciting a response. I'm sorry. I keep forgeting that this is Joe User and the only acceptable responses are those that agree with the poster. My bad.

Or, alternatively: "But I am simply sick of hearing about it all." Which is it?

 

Don't change the subject. I was wondering why you participate in a discussion when you are "sick of hearing" about the subject. The question was NOT about your disagreement with my opinion and I won't let you pretend that it was.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, it leads to uncomfortable chafing.

And you really think this was about your disagreement with my politics? I'm not even sure what your position actually is, as you haven't explained it.

What's the point?

 

Can you imagine just how many pounds of C4 you could buy with $1 billion?

1. If you give $1 Billion to Hamas as cold (Chinese) cash, Hamas will give very little of it to the citizens of Gaza. We all know where the money will go, and for which purpose.

2. If Building materials made in Israel are supplied, a different outcome is possible.

3. Should the US be doing business with Hamas: Morally, no. Realpolitik: Is there a choice?

4. Should the aid be conditional: Only if Hamas stops the violence, and pledges peace, AND returns Gideon Shalit? Yes.

5. Should the prisoners not convicted of crimes involving murder be released to Gaza? Yes. Those convicted of "blood crimes" should not. Those released if rentering Israel resume their sentences or, if armed, executed immediately.

6. The use of nuclear weapons is, perhaps, the most ridiculous proposition I've ever heard.

7. While I understand your exasperation with the situation, Mumblefutz, Leauki, et. al. Please remember that the Israelis and some, if not many of the Gazans are equally sick of it all. More violence will only spawn even more. If that is Hamas' goal, they must be dealt with differently and by the International Community. By that I mean allow the peaceful Gazans to exit if they pledge to accept peace with Israel and then reduce Gaza and those who refuse peace.

8. The Israelis do not lack the will or "the balls" to solve the problem, Mumblefutz. If you doubt that, visit Israel and mention it to a paratrooper. Have your Medical insurance paid up and your affairs in order first, just in case.

9. Israel will have to open border crossings of Gaza and Hamas will have to recognize Israel, each of which has been demanded by one to the other.

 

I read Fatah and Hamas will be reconciled mediated by Egypt. I wonder what will happen the next.

The difference is that Israel used to keep the border open before Hamas took over Gaza violently and declared war.

Incidentally, WHY exactly would Israel have to open the border crossings? There is no law that says that states must have open borders, especially not when they are at war at that border.

 

Of course, I assume opening the border is on the condition 4:Hamas stops the violence.

I agree that the borders should be open again.

But I disagree that Israel has a responsibility to open it. I think such a deal should be connected to a deal that would also open Lebanon's and Syri's borders with Israel.

There are many Lebanese (Christian and Shiite) living in northern Israel that cannot get back into Lebanon to visit friends or relatives. (They are the families of the Lebanese Forces militia that fought against the Arabs in the Lebanese civil war.)

Note that the border to Gaza was open and many Gazans worked in Israel just a few years ago. It was the war the PLO started in the early 2000s that closed the borders first and when that ended, Hamas took over and declared war again. And since 85% of the people in Gaza voted for war, I don't really care much about the problems they have because of it.

 

Israeli troops are now inhibiting even human aid, food and medicines into Gaza. Are the Lebanese starving?

Such negotiations between different countries should be thought separately. I really care much about children in Gaza because they are not responsible.

(JU screwed up the quoting again.)

That's not true.




They would be if they declared themselves independent from Israel (like Gaza did from "Palestine") and would use whatever money they have to kill Israelis and fire rockets into Lebanon.

Incidentally, the people of Gaza are not starving. They had and have a higher standard of living than Egypt and Jordan. There is plenty of food in Gaza which is why Hamas can afford to buy weapons all the time.

This is what a supermarket in Gaza looks like:

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2008/09/610x.jpg

You really shouldn't believe the nonsense Israel's enemies tell you about Gaza. It's a common strategt: "Oooh look Jews are evil, the people of Gaza are starving" and it flies in the face of those Israelis who are working to keep the eletricity running in Gaza and who are manning the border posts through which hundreds of trucks enter every day, paid for by Israel and the world and certainly not by the lazy people who live of the stuff. And Israelis are doing all that while under continuous rocket fire.

Hamas shoot rockets at incoming trucks and then complain that Gazans are "starving". But it's a lie. They are not starving and never have.




I don't have time to care about all the children in the world. I give money to Darfurians because their children lost their families in the holocaust the Arabs are allowed to perpetrate against Nilo-Saharan tribes in Sudan. The children of Gaza are the responsibility of their parents, who voted for war with Israel; not mine or Israel's.

How can I worry about the child of someone who screams "Death to the Jews" and whose child would be fine if he refrained from acting on his racist ideology? If the people of Gaza want peace, all they have to do is stop attacking Israel. That's all.

And no opening of borders (that are already open for goods) or further concessions by Israel can change the fact.