News from Gaza. This time not from Hamas.

Sources: Palestinian Authority, Palestinian Christians, Israeli Defence Forces

Published on January 13, 2009 By Leauki In War on Terror

Most news from Gaza has been authored by Hamas. But the Palestinian Authority (the ACTUAL representative of the "Palestinian" people) also have a camera crew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7kq_4y-Kts

Over the last three years Hamas have murdered hundreds of people in Gaza. NOBODY cared. The Palestinian Authority spoke up occasionally, but couldn't be heard over the world screaming at Israel. In the mean time Hamas was permitted to murder Arabs and Jews, freely and without fear of punishment.

Not all Arabs support Hamas. In fact Hamas has more supporters in the west than in "Palestine". Hamas' western supporters have it easy, they don't have to live with Hamas. Palestinian Arabs have documented what Hamas did to them, but the western media and western supporters of Hamas don't care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE

The pictures shown are real. They are not staged, and they are not shown selectively. (For example, the wedding party did not shoot at Hamas first and the video is not just showing Hamas' response while leaving out what prompted the response. What prompted the response was _singing_ at a wedding.)

And why do Arab children die in schools? It's simple. Hamas boobytraps schools and blows them up when ready.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU

This is why the civilian death tool went up dramatically after the first few days. Israelis, world-famous for being incompetent babykillers (for example, even though Israelis are evil and target civilians, only 15% of initial victims were civilians), do not actually get better at shooting civilians after a few days of fighting. What happens simply that after Hamas knew that they were under attack, they could get on with blowing up schools. Since all news reported from Gaza by the world media has been authored by Hamas (nobody else can legally report from Gaza, the PA camera crew from above have to fear for their lives and have probably fled by now), the formula is simple: you blow up a school, kill dozens of children, and then report to the world that Israelis have killed the children.

And haters everywhere, white supremacists, Muslim terrorist sympathisers, liberals, they all will believe it.

Because they know two things:

1. They are not themselves anti-Semites.

2. Israelis lie.

Often Jews speak up against Israel. But that doesn't mean those Jews are right. Those Jews are rarely from the middle east and know as much about Israel as your typical liberal. It doesn't even mean that they really think what they say. Just try to live in, say, England and speak up against Hamas and for Israel and see what will happen to you.

The Palestinian Authority sympathisers who made the first two videos cannot speak up against Hamas publicly in Gaza either.

And in most Arab countries merely BEING a Jew is a death sentence.

But until this gets better let us all remember that those who hate Israel are not anti-Semites and do not hate all Jews.

They merely hate middle-eastern Jews.

Comments (Page 2)

taltamir

on Jan 14, 2009

PS. the only reason that this conflict is never ending, is because israel is too moral to commit the collatoral damage needed to end this conflict. The united states has done so multiple times, such as in WW2 against japan and germany, and also against the native americans. The russians have done it countless times, the chinese, every european country has done it... Israel is unique in its AVOIDANCE of civilian casualties, to the point that they are incapable of winning. And they are demonized for it.

Leauki

on Jan 15, 2009

Israel: 13 (ten of which were soldiers.)

Gaza: 1000+ (300 of which were women and children.)

So much for a 15% civilian casualty rate, hmm?

Three dead Israeli civilians (as of Dec 27th.)

Three hundred dead Palestinian civilians. (same time period.)

Yet you call their actions humane?

As do I.

I have seen videos of Hamas preparing schools with bombs. I have seen videos of Hamas firing from UN schools and drawing fire to those schools. And I have seen Hamas terrorists firing from behind children.

And I don't believe Hamas' numbers.

But I do know the extreme length the IDF go to to avoid civilian casualties. If they didn't you could expect a LOT MORE casualties in a densely populated area like that (and there wouldn't be any Israeli casualties, I can tell you that).

And just to join in the Godwining here, and since I've already been called an anti-Semite, let me point out that the Nazis used to do the same thing, killing ten civilians for each troop lost.

Israel is doing that but to the tenth power, slaughtering 100 to 1. (roughly.)

I do not believe that the Nazis' enemies fired from behind children or blew up schools.

But your comparison of Israel with the Nazis is noted.

I hope it was worth it for you to show your true colours now. You didn't even put ANY blame for the civilian deaths on Hamas, not even for those who died in explosions called by Hamas. Anything that dies, whether hit by an Israeli bullet or killed by a Hamas bomb is a victim of Israel's slaughter. That is how I read your summary, that is what "slaughtering 100 to 1" means.

I hope it was worth it for you.

We are done.

Nitro Cruiser

on Jan 15, 2009

The US forces in Iraq went through the same thing with civilian casualties when the fighting was more intense. The liberal and Arab media focused on civilian deaths while completely failing to report the insurgents mingling among the population (aka: human shields) or even direct support of the insurgents (seemed like a lot of people dance when those contractors body hung from the bridge). Did civilians get killed, unfortunately yes. But it wasn't near the 600,000 that the loony left would have had you believe (though that number pops up from time to time still). US troops went out of their way to avoid civilian casualties at a high price to them. Remember the US troops blown up handing candy out to children?

That said I take what I hear in the same media that reported on the US war, with a grain of salt. If they were eager to report negatively against their own countries troops (not a problem if you report the positive too, which was few and far between) how can I trust their reporting on Israel/Gaza (or anything for that matter)?

Leauki

on Jan 15, 2009

how can I trust their reporting on Israel/Gaza

You can't.

But even pointing out that the BBC, for example, are selling us Hamas statements as fact (while they at the same time ignore Israeli statements) merely leads to accusations of thinking that the whole world is anti-Semitic.

I find it hilarious that America is seen as pro-Israel because of her support for Israel, while the UN, who send money and aid to the Arabs, are not seen as pro-Arab and must be regarded as nautral.

I will see the UN as nautral in this conflict as soon as they fire all Hamas members working for the UN, give as much money to Jewish refugees as they have given to Arab refugees, and build schools and hospitals in Israel like they do in the "Palestinian" territories.

But as long as the UN openly and proudly grant privileges to Arab refugees while officially not acknowleding Jewish refugees, allow Hamas to fire from UN schools,and share phone lines with Hizbullah, I think it is fair to say that they have chosen sides. I am surprised that is even an issue.

(How do I know the UN permit Hamas to do that? I have seen videos showing firing from UN buildings. The UN claim it didn't happen. Why would they deny that Hamas fired from their buildings unless by admitting it they would be admitting a war crime?)

Dr Guy

on Jan 15, 2009

Actually, I dont think it would be a war crime. Admission would have 2 effects. Show they are just paper tigers, and that they do side with Hamas. Neither of which is fatal, but both would destroy any perceived effectiveness they have by any rational person. Something they have for the most part already lost, but which they still hide behind the illusion of.

Leauki

on Jan 15, 2009

Actually, I dont think it would be a war crime. Admission would have 2 effects. Show they are just paper tigers, and that they do side with Hamas.

Shooting from a school is a war crime.

But on the plus side, and this made me really happy, German news site n-tv.de have a poll up (no link, but can be found next to some articles) that reads

Keine unabhängige Berichterstattung aus Gaza. Glauben Sie den Bildern trotzdem?

A: Ja
B: Nein

Leauki

on Jan 15, 2009

Further reactions from Germany:

Angela Merkel (Christian Democrat), the prime minister of Germany, blames Hamas and "understands" the Israeli reaction.

Frank-Walter Steinmeier (Social Democrat), the foreign minister, condemns the Israeli "attacks".

Joschka Fischer (Green), the former foreign minister (Schroeder's government), also blames Hamas and showed solidarity with Israel. (He is an exception in the Green party, but also their most popular representative.)

taltamir

on Jan 15, 2009

So much for a 15% civilian casualty rate, hmm?

Firstly, This is very reminiscent of the first AND second intifada numbers... where israel said it killed under 50 people, lost under 50 people, and the PLO said the about 1000 "israeli sympithizers" were executed. Not to mention that we actually have evidence of booby trapped schools. And that the hamas could be pulling those numbers LITERALLY out of their ass.

But lets say for example that israel killed 1000 of them.

there are about 500,000 people in gaza alone. 1000 / 500000 = 1/500 = 0.002% of the population. Again israel manages to break historical records for the low amount of the POPULATION of an enemy COUNTRY that is killed in a war.

That % was of the TOTAL POPULATION... no "combatant vs non combatant"... which I explained clearly. In vietnam for example. 1-2 million combatants were killed on both the south and north sides. And about 20 million civilians were killed (about 10 million per side), and that is out of 200 million total in the country. So 10% death toll of civilians (20 milliton out of 200 million). I suggest you look up other conflicts and see for yourself how many people died...

Every war you look at, EVER, before or after, except those of israel. Feature such death tolls. Israel keeps on driving the numbers into the lower and lower percentages. Oh, and those 0.002%? thats only of gaza strip cause I have no figures as to how many are in the west bank (which is part of the same country of palastine since 2004).

Dr Guy

on Jan 15, 2009

Shooting from a school is a war crime.

Yes, Hamas is committing war crimes, but the UN is not.

I think I see the problem. I took your statement to read that the UN would be committing a war crime, when what you were trying to say was that they would then be seen as supporting war criminals. And that I do agree with. But then that goes to the second part of my statement, that while they (UN) attempt to maintain the veneer of some noble body, in truth, they are no better than the scum they do support.

Leauki

on Jan 16, 2009

I took your statement to read that the UN would be committing a war crime, when what you were trying to say was that they would then be seen as supporting war criminals. And that I do agree with.

Exactly. (Although I am sure supporting war criminals is also a war crime.)

The UN cannot admit that they allow Hamas to shoot from or hide in UN buildings.

German news site n-tv.de actually gives Palestinian officials as the source of the numbers. Judging from the poll results I told of earlier, it seems that most Germans understand that a "Palestinian official" in Gaza is a Hamas terrorist.

Leauki

on Jan 16, 2009

Israellycool reports that the "Foreign Press Association" actually sent out an email instructing their correspondents not to report Israeli statements on the situation in Gaza:

    From: The Foreign Press Association [fpa1@netvision.net.il]

    Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:27 PM

    To:

    Subject: Urgent notice to members

    The FPA rejects and condemns the IDF policy of controlling the news coverage of the events in Gaza. by preventing the entry of foreign journalists into Gaza and bombing buildings housing offices of international media - contrary to IDF assurances that these media buildings would be safe - the IDF is severely violating basic principles of respect for press freedom.
    As a result of these unconscionable breaches, the FPA calls on all its members not to broadcast or print stills and videos the IDF provides as a substitute to independent reporting - until such time the IDF issues a formal apology for the attacks on the media buildings and offers assurances that no such event will occur in the future.

    The Foreign Press Association

    www.fpa.org.il

How is that for "fair and balanced"?

This is why we only hear Hamas' view of things and not Israel's.

Leauki

on Jan 16, 2009

An Italian journalist, who a few days ago was quoted in an Israeli newspaper (in Hebrew) that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza (we will know once independent press will have access to Gaza), wrote in Haaretz (in English):

There is a contradiction between Israel completely blocking off access to the Gaza Strip for journalists, and the growing protests of officials in Jerusalem about the way in which many international media representatives are covering the events there. After all, if there is no way for we journalists to get to the points of conflict personally, and hence no chance for us judge the facts with our own eyes, we have no choice but to rely on the reports coming out from victims and witnesses in the Strip. For the most part, they will be are mainly Palestinians or sources close to them. There is no alternative.

[...]

I recall the exaggerated data about victims among the Palestinians during the first intifada, the perpetual comparisons between the military repression and the Holocaust, and the baseless reports about civilians dying of hunger during the previous siege of Gaza. Yasser Arafat and Palestinian sources in Beirut and Tunis were grand masters in the dissemination of this kind of disinformation.

[...]

The first took place in the Jenin refugee camp in April 2002. Do you remember? The camp was surrounded, and the media was not allowed in. From a distance, one could see pillars of smoke and hear occasional shooting. The Palestinians spoke about 1,500 dead - a toll that later dropped to 500. There were rumors of mass graves, of entire families that had been shot in the streets by Zionist soldiers.

On April 13, I succeeded in crossing through the army barricades on foot and reached the hospital bordering on the refugee camp. I was prepared to see scenes of a bloodbath. Anyone who follows what takes place in the arena of war knows that generally speaking, the ratio of dead to wounded is one to three. That is to say, if there are 500 dead, there will be at least 1,500 wounded. What did I find? Absolutely nothing. The hospital was almost deserted, doctors were playing cards in the emergency room, there were two women in labor and one old man who had had an appendectomy.

In one of the wards I finally saw wounded - 25 people who had been lightly wounded. And the stories they told were indeed heart-rending. "I saw a woman and three children who were shot close by here," one of them told me. Nonetheless, when they were asked for the names of the dead and to show where the bodies were, the responses became evasive. In short, it was all talk and nothing could be verified, nothing was concrete. At the end of that day, I wrote that the death toll was not more than 50 and that most of them were combatants. And indeed, a few weeks later, following a UN investigation, it was reported that there had been 53 dead.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054592.html

His criticism of Israel's policy towards journalists, by the way, is noted, appreciated, and NOT regarded as anti-Semitism. While I disagree with him and believe that Israel must keep journalists away from battle zones, I do not regard criticism of that policy as anti-Semitism, despite the allegations that all criticism of Israel is decried as anti-Semitism.

Anyone still believe that the media are pro-Israeli?

Leauki

on Jan 16, 2009

From Italy:

http://www.loccidentale.it/articolo/israel+day,+italian+mps+united+in+defece+of+democracy.0064631

This is the square of the Italian Parliament in Rome, Piazza Montecitorio: you can see the Palace on top of the square, and in front a lot of Israeli flags.That was yesterday night from 6,30 to 9,30 pm. What you cannot see here, is the extraordinary number and variety of members of the Parliament, about 100 from all political sides, that took the stage during our marathon: for about three hours we have been speaking about the role of Israel, its right to self defense, its moral height, its fight in name of all of us, of our civilization and values, against the wild hate of the Islamic jihad represented by hamas.

[...]

apart from a minority of crazy leftists and fascists that took the street on anti-Semitic slogan

[...]

Well, yesterday night many people, Ministers and Members of Parliament, composed a very new, interesting puzzle of opinions. I think that when you are not overwhelmed by exotic thirdworldism, the images of children educated as hate machines, the speeches of jihad leaders, from Ahmadinejad to Nasrallah, to Hanje, that deny the holocaust and promise death to Jewish and Christians too, have on us a result of great disgust. Westerners, thanks God, can still be disgusted by an uncivilized level of political speech.

But most of all, in the Parliament square, many of the Parliament Members said: "I love Israel". You can't imagine how many.

Thank you, Italy!

This reminds me of this demonstration against Iran (or for imperial Iran, if you like) organised by Italian Muslims supporting Israel:

http://www.amislam.com/demo.htm

Thank you, Abdul Hadi Palazzi. Thank you, Italy.

Leauki

on Jan 16, 2009

There is also this German language blog site covering events in Gaza and Germany:

http://www.pi-news.net/

Unfortunately they are anti-Islam and I have a problem with that. German xenophobia now supports Israel because radical Muslims are less assimilated than Jews. I can understand their position, but I disagree with it.

(In the mean time, German Neo-Nazis support Arab nationalists and radical Islam and all their anti-foreigner rethoric doesn't seem to apply to those types of foreigners.)

Leauki

on Jan 16, 2009

From the West-Bank:

The war against Hamas is taking place not only in the Gaza Strip, but in the West Bank as well, Palestinians said on Thursday.

Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority security forces, they noted, had stepped up their crackdown on Hamas supporters and figures in the West Bank since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead.

The latest anti-Hamas measures in the West Bank, which are being carried out in coordination with the IDF and under the supervision of US security experts, are designed to foil any attempt by the movement to overthrow the PA.

[...]

On the instructions of the PA leadership in Ramallah, protesters are banned from expressing solidarity with Hamas by hoisting the movement's flag or chanting slogans in its favor.

[...]

Hamas claims that the PA had already arrested more than 400 of its supporters in the West Bank prior to the IDF offensive in Gaza.

[...]

Several Palestinian journalists have also been targeted by the PA security forces in recent weeks. In Bethlehem, Hebron and Ramallah, policemen beat a number of Palestinian reporters and photographers who were covering protests against the IDF operation. Other journalists have been receiving threats almost on a daily basis from the PA security forces in the West Bank.

[...]

In Ramallah last week, the PA deployed more than 1,000 policemen to stop a relatively small number of demonstrators from identifying with Hamas.

[...]

The anti-Hamas campaign in the West Bank is taking place not only on the ground, but also in the PA-controlled media that continues to blame Hamas for the "massacres" in Gaza.

[...]

Abdel Rahim expressed hope that Hamas would not be invited to any Arab summit or gathering to discuss the situation in the Gaza Strip. "Hamas launched a coup against the legitimate authority of the Palestinians and as such it does not have the right to represent the Palestinians at any summit," he said.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231950868927&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

"a relatively small number of demonstrators"

It seems to me that western "pro-Palestinian" liberals and neo-Nazis are demanding to fight this war to the last "Palestinian". I can believe that most "Palestinians" want peace. But I cannot believe that western anti-war activists will ever accept peace with Israel.

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