A Leauki's Writings
The Word is "Lie"
Published on June 16, 2008 By Leauki In Religion

What opponents of evolution (and other theories) don't understand is that science is not about finding the truth (that is best left to philosophy professors) but about finding out something useful about this world.

The predictions of theories can be used in engineering and other fields. Applications of the theory of evolution have been used successfully in such diverse fields as medicine and (yes) computer science. Evolution is solid, a tool that we can use to advance.


For a good article about the difference between a scientific theory and Creationism and the utter stupidity (and, I want to add, sacrilege) of believing in "Intelligent Design", see Steven Den Beste's essay about the human eye.

http://denbeste.nu/essays/humaneye.shtml

The vertebrate retina is a terrible design. The optic nerve comes into the eyeball at a certain point, and the nerve fibers spread out across the surface of the retina. Each individual nerve fiber reaches its assigned point, burrows down into the retina through several layers of epithelial cells, and ends with the light receptor itself pointing away from the lens of the eye, which is the direction from which the light must come. As a result, incoming light strikes the surface of the retina and must penetrate through multiple layers of inactive cells and then through the body of the nerve itself before it reaches the active point where it might be detected. This both diffuses and attenuates the light, decreasing the efficiency of the retina in accomplishing its function.

For a rationalist and atheist like Steven Den Beste, extrapolating from the existence of the human eye to a "designer" is illogical, because there is no evidence for design but plenty evidence for evolution.

For me, personally, saying that the human eye has been "designed" is blasphemy. I do not think it is all right to claim that G-d would intentionally create a faulty design or was incapable of doing better. (Plus I agree with Steven's thinking as well. There is evidence for evolution in the human eye, but no evidence for design.)


But the problem here is not the fact that some people are not capable of understanding complicated science and are thus forced to make up fairy tales that make them believe that they are as clever as scientists (and even cleverer since scientists don't "know" the truth), but the fact that those some people sometimes have the power to take away knowledge from the rest of us.

There are MANY countries in the world where Creationism is taught instead of evolution. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the majority of the world teaches Creationism to some extent, replacing biology or "adding to" biology in schools.

But what does that do for those societies?

Are they leaders in science based on learning something that is a "theory" just like evolution and a "better "explanation?

It's not enough to change the rules to allow Creationism (or "Intelligent Design") to become science, because what is science is not a decision made by man. It's ultimately a desicion made by nature (or G-d, if you will). Because science is something we can use to create.

When we look at the world and compare societies, we see that countries that teach evolution create technologies, whereas countries that teach Creationism, do not have the workforce to be leading in any field of technology.

Teaching Creationism causes stupidity. That's the problem.

And it doesn't help if "Christian" fundamentalists in the west blame Islam for it and pretend that teaching "Christian" Creationism will give better results, because the Creationism of Islam IS the Creationism of Christianity. It's word for word, letter for letter the same legend.

And it's phony. It's phony and stupid and a big lie.

    * Why does the birth canal run through the middle of the pelvis?
    * Why does the backbone run down one side of the trunk instead of through the middle where it would be more balanced?
    * Why does the ankle attach at one end of the foot instead of in the middle?
    * Why are there toes?
    * Why is it that nearly every part of the brain is as far as possible from the piece of the body with which it is associated?
          o Why is the motor control center for the right side of the body on the left side of the brain, and vice versa?
          o Why is the vision center at the rear of the brain, as far from the eyes as possible -- and on the opposite sides?
    * Why is it that fully 90% of the genetic material we carry around is useless?
    * Why do we share a single canal through the neck through which we both breath and swallow?

Biology has explanations for these oddities. Creationism does not. "It was G-d's will" is not an explanation, it's an excuse for incompetence.

(Why are some people born with a mechanism that destroys the beta cells in the pancreas, causing Type 1 Diabetes that is ALWAYS deadly within a few months without treatment? Would an "intelligent designer" design his subjects like that?)

Richard Dawkins called evolution the "blind watchmaker" because evolution does not "see" what it produces, it merely tries out what happens with the stuff it finds. I find the term "incompetent designer" appropriate for a god who designs things like us. And I cannot pray to an incompetent designer. How could I?

Teaching Creationism has never helped a society and is bringing down many.

 

Dear Creationists,

I do not want the western world to become a second "Islamic" world.

Do you not understand that?

 


Comments (Page 20)
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on Dec 27, 2008

IQ -

I respect your right to religious beliefs, but creationism, as an explanation for how species differentiate and evolve simply lacks scientific or biological plausibility.  There is ample physical evidence which supports the theory of evolution.  There is no physical evidence whatsoever that supports the theory of creationism, a theory based on words written in a book, however divinely inspired you assess them to be.  A collection of books, more properly, which have been added to, subtracted from, highly edited & translated by imperfect humans over as much as at least a thousand years, during a time when this branch of science was simply unknown.

It has been proponents of creationism who have offered it up as an alternative to evolution, not the other way round, and it has not met any burden of proof.  The theory of evolution is not an attempt to disprove creationism.  Creationism is an attempt to explain the 'why' of existence.  Evolutionary theory attempts to explain the 'how' of observed, documented physical evidence which suggests the differentiation & change of species over time.

Why the theory of evolution is such a threat to Christian beliefs is a mystery to me.  It is not anti-religious.  It postulates nothing about the 'why' of existence or how the universe came into being.  The more this subject gets argued, the more I believe that critical thinking and creationism are mutually exclusive.

on Dec 27, 2008

Ah... I see what you mean now.

Creationism isn't a theory of how species differentiate and adapt at all, it is one of how the universe began.  How the universe operates afterward is a different debate.  Creationism arose as a counter to those who claim that life came from nothing (perhaps I should say abiogenesis).

Creationism is an argument against this particular position, and against the idea that microevolution may continue without stopping until it becomes macroevolution.

Microevolution is accepted without debate.  Macroevolution is not.  And yes, these are two separate categories:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evoscales_01

on Dec 27, 2008

Dawkins is viral man, his writings are one track...he's right, everyone else is wrong. I just don't like his writing. His conclusions are based on the idea that he is king of the universe.

on Dec 27, 2008

i just realized something, creationism IS the opposition of SCIENCE in general...

Evolution discusses the differentiation of species, not the origin of life, but creationism is basically the notion that everything was created as the "good book" says; and thus that part of the bible should be taken LITERALLY.

So it is discussing the origin of the universe, then the origin of earth, the origin of the sun, the "fact" that the earth is flat, the claim that the sun revolves around the earth, the notion that the earth is 6000 years old, the notion that life was created as is by god and all fossils are here to test our faith, and so on.

Almost every aspect of physical science is contered by the creationist theory. But instead of saying "we oppose science" they say "we oppose the theory of evolution with science" (which is actually psudeo-science, and attributes things like the birth of STARS and the ORIGIN OF LIFE to evolution, despite evolution having nothing to do with those issues).

on Dec 27, 2008

Oh, and KFC, have you seen that movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed? It is a documentary largely about how Christians lose their jobs just because they question evolution (as an explanation of life's origins).

Yes.  It was very good.  It was exactly what my son had been saying for years so most of it was familiar to me.  He really liked one Scientist on there...the guy in Paris, can't remember his name.  He thought he was pretty smart and had some very good thoughts on the whole subject while being very objective in the whole matter. 

So even though his research and knowledge has NOTHING to do with evolution, he can't go and say what HE thinks evolution is about? and that is somehow a BAD thing? maybe your genious son would not hold the lies of creationism (which are NOT universally christian) so dear if he actually learned and researched evolution. 

No not exactly.  He can't admit he's a Christian PERIOD!  It has nothing to do with saying what he things about Evolution.  It's just the fact that he's a Christian.  The idiots are those who believe you can't be a Christian and a reputable Scientist at the same time.  Including one Scientist he was collaborating with.  As they were working on this project the other Scientist said to my son that Christians were idiots.  This same Scientist thinks my son is a genuis.  So who is the idiot? 

He knows all about evolution much more than the average person.  He lives and breathes science and has for many years.  He says there are some good things about the Evolutionary Theory that are good arguments but it doesn't replace the belief in God or that God created the world exactly as he revealed to us. 

Like has already been said here, a true Christian is going to believe in the WHOLE counsel of God not taking bits and pieces that that satisfy his own thought processes.  There are those cafeteria Christians out there but I have to wonder how committed they really are to God since they dismiss his word and replace it with the latest whim trying to marry Darwin and Moses together. 

 

 

on Dec 27, 2008

Dawkins is viral man, his writings are one track...he's right, everyone else is wrong. I just don't like his writing. His conclusions are based on the idea that he is king of the universe.

exactly.

Why the theory of evolution is such a threat to Christian beliefs is a mystery to me.

It's the other way around Daiwa.  Evolution is the ONLY thing taught in the school system even though it's not a fact but a belief system.  The Christians, are ok with both sides being taught.  Let the kids decide as they look at both sides of this debate.  But no, the Evolutionary side which is secular humanistic wants no part of this.  But like I've said before, they have failed miserably percentage wise given they have had 100% captive audiences for years in the school systems starting in kindergarten. 

The more this subject gets argued, the more I believe that critical thinking and creationism are mutually exclusive.

Why is that?  Because we aren't conforming to your side of the argument?  I've asked repeatedly to Taltamir right here on this blog to back up his statements.  He hasn't yet.  He just insults and puffs his chest out showing how superior he has evolved.

Although it is my guess that he just doesn't have the patience to try to explain to his ignorant parent the depth of their stupidy and dissuade them from perpetuating lies. After all, your retarded notion will die with you, there is no need to break up the family over it. Do you think I argue with my relatives about their ignorances? It is smarter not to.

I find you very rude and condescending.  Does this stem from your belief?

i just realized something, creationism IS the opposition of SCIENCE in general...

wrong again.  Creationism and Genuine Science go hand in hand.  There is nothing in the bible that contradicts Science.  Care to find an example? 

The bible speaks of the circle of the earth way before that was discovered.  The bible also speaks how the earth hangs on nothing way before that was known as well.  How did the writer of Job ( thought to be the oldest book of the bible) and Isaiah know this before the Astronomers did? 

Hmmmm?

 

on Dec 27, 2008

wrong again.  Creationism and Genuine Science go hand in hand.  There is nothing in the bible that contradicts Science.  Care to find an example?

I listed it in the same post. Is the earth flat? no, is the earth 6000 years old? are fossils put there by god to test our faith? no, does the sun revolve around the earth? no. and so on.

on Dec 27, 2008

Evolution is the ONLY thing taught in the school system even though it's not a fact but a belief system.

Evolution is no such thing.  Christianity is a 'belief system.'  Evolution is a scientific theory.  It's the failure of creationism's proponents to understand this fundamental difference that makes me question their critical thinking skills.  There is absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever supporting the 'theory of creationism.'  We don't teach creationism as science for the same reason we don't teach astrology, palm reading and tarot as science.

on Dec 27, 2008

ironically, the leaders of the creationist movement DO suggest teaching astrology as well.

on Dec 27, 2008

There is absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever supporting the 'theory of creationism.'

nor is there any physical evidence supporting Evolutionary Theory as it's being taught in the governmental schools. 

I listed it in the same post. Is the earth flat? no, is the earth 6000 years old? are fossils put there by god to test our faith? no, does the sun revolve around the earth? no. and so on.

I assume you're speaking of the Catholic Church and their mistake with Galilao?  Ok but that has nothing to do with the bible.  The Catholic Church was wrong.  Wouldn't be the first nor the last time.  Scientists also are wrong and have to rework their data.

Show me anywhere in the bible that it contradicts Science.  If this is your attempt, it's mighty feeble. 

Oh and BTW Christopher Columbus was a Christian who was the one who discovered the earth was not flat.  Perhaps he read Isaiah and Job himself? 

Evolution is basically a religious philisophy.  Both evolution and creation are religious views of life which people build their philosophies, science or history on.  This is not science vs science but religion vs religion.  A belief system coming to head with another belief system. 

The famous evolutionist Theodosius Dobzhansky (The American Biology Teacher, Vol 35, March 1973, pg 129) quotes Pierre Teilhard de Chardin:

"Evolution is a light which illuminates all facts, a trajectory which all lines of thought must follow." 

To the Christian the only light we are following is Christ who said "I am the light of the world." 

It wouldn't take me much effort to show you that evolution is NOT science but religion cloked in Science. 

Evolution is not a scientific theory as any freshman learns in biology class by applying the scientific method.  A theory is something that can be proved over time and replicated.  Evolution does not meet these requirements and thus is classified as a hypothesis or an idea. 

Over 100 years ago spontaneous generation or biogenesis was accepted in the scientific community and thus the general population.  SP was based on superficial observation; fruit flies come from bananna peels, maggots from manure, bees from dead horses and rats from soiled rags.  Disbelievers in SP were riduculed (sound familiar?). 

SP was discovered by the careful experiement of Redi (1688), Spallanzani (1780), Pasteur (1860) and others.  They demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that SP was a false teaching (as in a LIE).

But ideas die slowly.  The obituary for SP was premature.  Insidiously spontaneous generation returned in the guise of evolution-life comes from non-life.  Today disbelievers in evolution are ridiculed (that would be me).  Neither of these ideas are based on TRUE Science.  Today evolutionists talk about gradual spontaneous generaltion only it takes millions of years.

oh and speaking of lies since you evolutionary thinkers keep accusing the Creationists of lying.....here's a letter  to the editor written by a biology teacher. 

"As a former teacher of biology, I am appalled to witness the dishonesty of academia in regard to the teaching of origins.  The teaching of the adult fairy tale called evolution, to the exclusion of other ideas is brainwashing and not education.  I thought science was a search for truth.

I always assumed that a good education would present various points of view, allow students to think critically and draw their own conclusions.  Why do evolutionists feel threatened by different ideas on origins?

They hide behind the fear of religion being taught in the classroom, but intelligent design can be taught without bringing God into the classroom.  On the other hand, sorry to say, evolution is a religion, and those who preach it and practice it bow down to their own God. 

In China, you can criticize evolution but you can't criticize the government.  In the U.S. you can criticize the government but you can't criticize evolution.  " 

 

 

on Dec 27, 2008

ironically, the leaders of the creationist movement DO suggest teaching astrology as well.

well I don't know where this would come from since most Christians are AGAINST astrology as the bible condemns it. 

Another lie perhaps? 

 

 

on Dec 27, 2008

I think it's more like an epidemic of false Christians running around ruining people's perceptions (i.e. people who think that Genesis shouldn't be taken literally).

By the way, if you think evolution has nothing to do with where life came from, then you're an idiot, I don't care how much you deny it.  Just because evolutionary theory doesn't say how life came about, it is no less a theory of life's origin.  Sure, evolution technically doesn't work on rocks, but evolutionists still have to explain how that life got there in the first place.

Why do you think evolutionists use the Miller-Urey experiment as a huge trump card?  He made a few amino acids, not life - if evolution isn't about how life came from nothing, then why would they care?

If you fail to realize this, then it is pointless for us to argue any further.  An illogical belief defies all logical refutation.

Even so, I still want you to read this article:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/retina.asp

on Dec 27, 2008

Evolution is basically a religious philisophy. Both evolution and creation are religious views of life which people build their philosophies, science or history on. This is not science vs science but religion vs religion. A belief system coming to head with another belief system.

KFC, this is utter nonsense.

It wouldn't take me much effort to show you that evolution is NOT science but religion cloked in Science.

Give it your best shot.  But if you think you're going to persuade a sentient being with a quote from 'some biology teacher,' you're nuts.

nor is there any physical evidence supporting Evolutionary Theory

And this confirms it.

on Dec 27, 2008

Sure, evolution technically doesn't work on rocks, but evolutionists still have to explain how that life got there in the first place.

No, we don't.  Haven't & won't.  Call people idiots all you want, but evolutionary theory isn't defined by you; it doesn't have to do anything on your say-so.

I'll try again:

'O Heavenly Father, I pray you spare us from those of your flock who fail to see the beauty of your creation, which is evolution.'

on Dec 27, 2008

Well, KFC, you're on your own now.  I have concluded that it is impossible for me to do any good here, because at the end of the day, people believe what they want to regardless.

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